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[EHocking]

...As a lot of you know, I,m not here on JREF to win prizes and I will maintain that this experience isn't about me alone, its about all of us...

This statement is in complete contrast to your original post that started this thread, :

...I would love to take part in the Randi challenge,...

ETA : Hah, ninja'd big time by Daylightstar...

 

[gabeygoat]

Cast of characters for the newbies:


Flaccon/Tracey (or Tracy, when she loses an e climbing mountains):
[Special person who, through her magic fingers, can converse with spirits using nothing but an ordinary laptop equipped with YouCam, a speaker held close to her ear, and a few gullible friends]

The Spirits:
[Reg/Tracey’s father; various pareidoliac voices, some still alive and well]


Scrappy/Robin:
[Hands-on witness and delusion enabler]

Mr. Bulger
[Hands-on witness, not a mob hitman]

The GP:
[A poor doctor who keeps getting bugged about nonsense and wrote a letter [redacted for us] to keep Tracey away for a bit]

The Bishop:
[Who could help Tracey diffuse the spirits message but refuses, despite reading the GP’s letter]

Alderbank:
[Fearless skeptic who visited Tracey and found nothing supernatural]

Alderbank’s nephew:
[Hands-off witness]

Mrs SR:
[Alleged hands-on witness]

Rev C:
[Alleged hands-on witness]

Pastor F:
[Alleged hands-on witness]



Feel free to play casting agent.

And now I know!

 

[Biscuit]

This statement is in complete contrast to your original post that started this thread, :

ETA : Hah, ninja'd big time by Daylightstar...

She later withdrew her claim to seek the MDC and the thread was moved to this sub forum instead. She did not withdraw her desire to test her claims but has been unsuccessful in doing so in any controlled objective manner.

 

[AdMan]

Mobile phone; I stopped using a mobile phone back in 2000 due to being contacted by lord knows who. I started using a mobile phone again in 2010 when my youngest daughter was pregnant. They seriously are manipulating my mobile phone again, but this time I know its nothing to fear.

Here's a new claim--now the spirits can manipulate your mobile phone too, is that right? What exactly can they do to it, and can you demonstrate this to others (not your usual gang that can't shoot straight, but independent observers)?

I have advised scrappy to leave off this thread for a while as I do not feel it right to involve him (or others) with the hurtful insults that are being posted

Too bad--he was quickly learning how to spell and punctuate properly.

I do have enough people standing by me now, and we will approach the News papers if necessary.

You haven't accomplished very much here, so looking forward to that.

Whilst I completely understand the dis-belief wherever I go with this experience, I will continue to tell the truth and I will trust that these spirits (who will not give up the ghost) will continue to step up another gear if necessary.

What does the highlighted mean?

And these spirits have proven to be anything but cooperative so far, so I wouldn't put much faith in them deciding to "step up another gear".

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

“The spirits won’t give up the ghost” means Flaccon won’t let them die.

I wonder what would happen if she played the spirits from her phone, and record them through the YouCam set-up. Some sort of feedback loop, I suppose. There's a new gear and it's Calibrated Spiritual Overdrive®.

 

[SusanB-M1]

I've just ordered a laptop, too, but if it turns out to be infested with spirits, it's going straight back.

I too have bought a laptop and the voice of Synthetic Dave is as helpful as always. It will take me a while to get used to it though - the computer, I mean, not Dave!

 

[TheDoLittle]

And now I know!

...and knowing is half the battle!

 

[TheDoLittle]

I too have bought a laptop and the voice of Synthetic Dave is as helpful as always. It will take me a while to get used to it though - the computer, I mean, not Dave!

Always been partial to Perfect Paul myself.

 

[chillzero]

I don't think flaccon's lying. I think she needs some help to examine what is going on with her when she hears voices through the phone (other than someone she called or who called her), and that laptops need replaced every time she hears something in a silent sound file.

If I were flaccon, and honestly interested in seeking help in understanding all of this, I would go back to my GP. I would explain that I feel distress when I hear additional voices on phone calls that should not be there, and I feel a need to take guidance from voices heard on my laptop. I would explain this all very calmly, and perhaps explain the additional expenses being incurred by what I believe is happening. I would not talk about the spirits or their mission at all - I would try to stay calm and explain facts about what is happening in my life - trips to mountains, new laptops, fear of phones ...

I would ask the GP if I could be referred as soon as possible to a CBT therapist, and I would do everything I could to attend those sessions and follow advice.

A good CBT therapist acts on evidence, and works with the person to identify what distresses them, to identify how they feel about it and whether those feelings and resulting actions are appropriate or not, and how to deal with the things the person believes are inappropriate. Unlike listening therapists they do not just sit silently and wait for you to talk - they will listen, but they also guide carefully, and assist you to getting to a place that is good for you.

I'd ask other posters not to mock in this thread. It will not have any positive benefit (other than your own titillation) and may encourage flaccon to leave in order to seek an audience elsewhere - one (like scrappy) that may not be so beneficial to her in terms of advice.

 

[Cassidy]

Welcome back flaccon. Hope you enjoyed the holiday. You certainly got the good weather for it.


Well, from time to time you have certainly given the impression that you'd like to win one of the available prizes.

Please remember we haven't actually been shown any evidence of anything unusual transferring into anyone else's computer. Speaking of which, did you receive the two files of quiet ambient noise which I emailed to scrappy and to the other address he gave me which I inferred to be yours?

Thank u. We were water logged but it was a great learning curve (we purchased a better tent for next week)

Yes I would have liked to gone for prizes, but I don't have the time for now. I do state in B & W all the time that any money would have and still will go to Charity at the request of the spirits.

I do realise that I cannot hand over any evidence via the web. I did try with jsf, and truth is, I did initially hear a constant drone right the way through his recording. He also gave over a brief description of "constant rainfall and a whirring fan noise" All I can say is it altered.

To be honest Jack, I deleted whatever was sent to me, I'd given up asking for help here as it was upsetting the spirits.

Lately I've been working on how to get the story out via the media. It isn't as simple as reporting it. I do understand that wherever I go with this it is judged as some crazy delusion. Now that I'm ready for the media, Rev B has decided to further investigate, which is all I'd requested in the first place. This is a weight off my mind.

If Alderbank (the fearless) would like to come and watch how the spirits tuned into Mr Roberts computer, and hear it out (yes its pretty scary) I'd be happy to show him this. If Alderbank would like to be present during the meet with the Rev B and Rev Lady J (from this diocese) he is also very welcome.

Alderbank admitted to me that voices are scary, and declined listening to the more serious (evil) threats that were recorded a couple of years ago. If he feels that there are absolutely? no voices present, then he has nothing to fear at all by observing this latest ability of theirs, and nothing to lose by observing our meet with the Rev's.

I don't mind updating folk on this thread, but I don't want to ruffle feathers and lets be honest, this thread is out of hand. I dislike the rudeness. Constructive criticism is good, and helps me to understand what the GP explained what I would be up against. I have to say this though, for what these spirits have done for me, and what I believe they can do for mankind, its worth my swallowing the rudeness.

I am still gathering folk here to witness this first-hand, and like I say, Alderbank has been the only observer so far to claim that there were no voices present. I am on observer 15 now (2 more to come this week.. strangers btw) It is a lot easier since June, now that I can show them Mr Roberts experiences as well as my own.

Seriously, if Alderbank wishes to come and observe this (I'll pay his costs) if he can suggest a logical explanation regarding this latest phenomena, I'd be interested in hearing this.

 

[dafydd]

Seriously, if Alderbank wishes to come and observe this (I'll pay his costs) if he can suggest a logical explanation regarding this latest phenomena, I'd be interested in hearing this.

The logical explanation has already been given to you.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I am still gathering folk here to witness this first-hand, and like I say, Alderbank has been the only observer so far to claim that there were no voices present. I am on observer 15 now (2 more to come this week.. strangers btw) It is a lot easier since June, now that I can show them Mr Roberts experiences as well as my own.

Rubbish. There were at least 30 of us here who don't hear voices on your recordings.

ETA:

1 Alderbank
2 Donn
3 Biscuit
4 Orphia Nay
5 Slowvehicle
6 IXP
7 AdMan
8 Drs_Res
9 jsfisher
10 blue sock monkey
11 trustbutverify
12 John Jones
13 Blue Bubble
14 Maurice Ledifficile
15 Abaddon
16 Jack by the Hedge
17 pakeha
18 xterra
19 Quinn
20 Empress
21 tsig
22 Daylightstar
23 Agatha
24 asydhouse
25 Old man
26 Squeegee Beckenheim
27 dlorde
28 Lucian
29 Tuxcat
30 Foolmewunz
31 EHocking

 

[Pixel42]

Alderbank admitted to me that voices are scary, and declined listening to the more serious (evil) threats that were recorded a couple of years ago.

This simply isn't true. Alderbank has clarified what actually happened, which you misinterpreted. Please stop repeating mistakes after they have been pointed out to you, it doesn't help your credibility.

If he feels that there are absolutely? no voices present, then he has nothing to fear at all by observing this latest ability of theirs, and nothing to lose by observing our meet with the Rev's.

He certainly has nothing to fear, but he does have something to lose - precious time, of which he may well feel he has already wasted enough. I wouldn't blame him for that reaction, but I hope he'll be willing and able to attend the meeting with the Reverend.

ETA: Please make sure the Reverend reads this thread before the meeting.

 

[trustbutverify]

Thank u. We were water logged but it was a great learning curve (we purchased a better tent for next week)

Yes I would have liked to gone for prizes, but I don't have the time for now. I do state in B & W all the time that any money would have and still will go to Charity at the request of the spirits.

I do realise that I cannot hand over any evidence via the web. I did try with jsf, and truth is, I did initially hear a constant drone right the way through his recording. He also gave over a brief description of "constant rainfall and a whirring fan noise" All I can say is it altered.

To be honest Jack, I deleted whatever was sent to me, I'd given up asking for help here as it was upsetting the spirits.

Lately I've been working on how to get the story out via the media. It isn't as simple as reporting it. I do understand that wherever I go with this it is judged as some crazy delusion. Now that I'm ready for the media, Rev B has decided to further investigate, which is all I'd requested in the first place. This is a weight off my mind.

If Alderbank (the fearless) would like to come and watch how the spirits tuned into Mr Roberts computer, and hear it out (yes its pretty scary) I'd be happy to show him this. If Alderbank would like to be present during the meet with the Rev B and Rev Lady J (from this diocese) he is also very welcome.

Alderbank admitted to me that voices are scary, and declined listening to the more serious (evil) threats that were recorded a couple of years ago. If he feels that there are absolutely? no voices present, then he has nothing to fear at all by observing this latest ability of theirs, and nothing to lose by observing our meet with the Rev's.

I don't mind updating folk on this thread, but I don't want to ruffle feathers and lets be honest, this thread is out of hand. I dislike the rudeness. Constructive criticism is good, and helps me to understand what the GP explained what I would be up against. I have to say this though, for what these spirits have done for me, and what I believe they can do for mankind, its worth my swallowing the rudeness.

I am still gathering folk here to witness this first-hand, and like I say, Alderbank has been the only observer so far to claim that there were no voices present. I am on observer 15 now (2 more to come this week.. strangers btw) It is a lot easier since June, now that I can show them Mr Roberts experiences as well as my own.

Seriously, if Alderbank wishes to come and observe this (I'll pay his costs) if he can suggest a logical explanation regarding this latest phenomena, I'd be interested in hearing this.

What evidence would you require to raise serious doubt as to your belief in ghosts talking to you through computer speakers? Please be as specific as possible.

 

[Patchwork Moth]

Before you go to the press I would strongly advise informing all your 'supporters', including the GP, of your plans. This gives them the chance to say 'keep me out of it'. It will be interesting to see how many continue to agree with you in a public arena.

 

[Cassidy]

I don't think flaccon's lying. I think she needs some help to examine what is going on with her when she hears voices through the phone (other than someone she called or who called her), and that laptops need replaced every time she hears something in a silent sound file.

If I were flaccon, and honestly interested in seeking help in understanding all of this, I would go back to my GP. I would explain that I feel distress when I hear additional voices on phone calls that should not be there, and I feel a need to take guidance from voices heard on my laptop. I would explain this all very calmly, and perhaps explain the additional expenses being incurred by what I believe is happening. I would not talk about the spirits or their mission at all - I would try to stay calm and explain facts about what is happening in my life - trips to mountains, new laptops, fear of phones ...

I would ask the GP if I could be referred as soon as possible to a CBT therapist, and I would do everything I could to attend those sessions and follow advice.

A good CBT therapist acts on evidence, and works with the person to identify what distresses them, to identify how they feel about it and whether those feelings and resulting actions are appropriate or not, and how to deal with the things the person believes are inappropriate. Unlike listening therapists they do not just sit silently and wait for you to talk - they will listen, but they also guide carefully, and assist you to getting to a place that is good for you.

I'd ask other posters not to mock in this thread. It will not have any positive benefit (other than your own titillation) and may encourage flaccon to leave in order to seek an audience elsewhere - one (like scrappy) that may not be so beneficial to her in terms of advice.

I don't need a new laptop to rid the voices, I need a new laptop to hopefully separate my Fathers voice from the rest of the spirits. The recent mobile phone incidences are recorded and ready to be observed. I do not fear mobile phones any more. I have tried for 13 years to ignore their contact, due to believing it was a continuation of demonic manipulation. It is not.

I have an appointment tonight with the GP. I cannot tell him that I'm distressed by any of this. I was initially terrified yes, but after the healing and their explanations I'm no longer cautious or afraid. I am happy to see what unfolds. I actually have no choice despite folk thinking I do have choice. Despite the dis-belief (and understandably so) the main spirit here actually does have the ability to control my very blood flow. After healing me, and explaining his reason for contact, I do trust him implicitly. How can I not? I would certainly reject anything negative if I could see anything negative. Its been nothing but positive so far.

I do remain calm at all times during explanations to anyone. The GP does not feel psychiatry would benefit this situation. I also do not feel psychiatry would benefit this situation. I would gladly seek medical help if I could see a benefit from doing so. We, et al believe it is a matter for the Church to deal with.

The camping expedition was fantastic. We managed to get to the half-way point of Snowdon (not bad considering I couldn't walk far without fighting the tears for 13 years) I didn't actually view it as a mission, I was merely familiarising myself for later reference (if necessary) whilst enjoying my new found freedom.

I do not need an audience now that Rev B has offered further investigation. I don't do audiences unless I'm auctioneering. The cause of any distress incurred, was due to not being able to place this spirit where he requests to be. It is now up to the Church to investigate him, his blood and his reason for contact. Best of luck I say. I'm looking forward to whatever the outcome may be.

Thank you very much for your last paragraph, I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[fromdownunder]

Yes I would have liked to gone for prizes, but I don't have the time for now. I do state in B & W all the time that any money would have and still will go to Charity at the request of the spirits.

Please provide a tape to one of the members of this forum who have been communicating with you that your spirits have stated this. If you cannot, this is quite simply a lie.

Norm

 

[Cassidy]

Before you go to the press I would strongly advise informing all your 'supporters', including the GP, of your plans. This gives them the chance to say 'keep me out of it'. It will be interesting to see how many continue to agree with you in a public arena.

Yes of course, I've been speaking with many. My family are strongly behind this, and any witnesses are willing to tell the truth to how they see it, and not how I see it. I have asked each person to only be honest. The GP is aware of my contacting the press, and he knows that I am holding back until the last minute. I am hoping not to take this route, it is not for me to do so, but it was looking necessary until this week.

My friends and family (and strangers) agree to stand firm with the truth, if and when it is required.

 

[Cassidy]

What evidence would you require to raise serious doubt as to your belief in ghosts talking to you through computer speakers? Please be as specific as possible.

A thorough investigation by the correct department/s.

If this turns out to be as genuine as I believe it to be, then everything they have told me is true, including that this is the age of experiences, and everyone is going to have them.

 

[Orphia Nay]

A thorough investigation by the correct department/s.

Please specify which department/s would be correct.