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Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

Mudcat said:
Wow what a marvelous non sequitur you have there, Clayton.

What is it supposed to mean, though?
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The vital clue was snipped from the post he quoted. It opened with a moderately common expression which, to many of us, merely indicates shock and surprise but to Clayton is a jarring example of taking the Lord's name in vain.

In short, if you start your reply to someone with "Jesus H Christ" you ought to consider whether that person will take it as deliberately offensive.
 
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Craig4 said:
Perhaps there is no deep need to find the truth in this one. The need to perpetuate fantasy seems to trump any desire for truth.
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This seems to be true when a video of a plane crashing into the WTC is used as evidence of there being no plane.
 
Spindrift said:
This seems to be true when a video of a plane crashing into the WTC is used as evidence of there being no plane.
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I have no idea what CM's situation is but it seems to me that if one creates the fantasy universe one gets to be in charge. I suspect for many truthers that fantasy world is the only place where they are in control.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
The vital clue was snipped from the post he quoted. It opened with a moderately common expression which, to many of us, merely indicates shock and surprise but to Clayton is a jarring example of taking the Lord's name in vain.

In short, if you start your reply to someone with "Jesus H Christ" you ought to consider whether that person will take it as deliberately offensive.
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It was used as an expletive. When spoken it portrays shock or surprise or other emotion. It is always spontaneous.

Writing it was not spontaneous.


It's a person attacking Christians by pretending to be shocked.
 
Clayton Moore said:
It was used as an expletive. When spoken it portrays shock or surprise or other emotion. It is always spontaneous.

Writing it was not spontaneous.


It's a person attacking Christians by pretending to be shocked.
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Well, what does CM want? I mean Jesus did die because he was weak and stupid.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
Not only RADAR but consistent video footage from 30 different angles/distances. Many of the closer clips also show debris ejecta from the north ( downrange) side of the south tower. There are 2 very large pieces in particular, one with a spiral trail of smoke leading to the engine found at Church and Murray, another with flame and broken smoke trailing that leads to the top of WTC 5 (40 stories tall) where a nearly 100 square foot piece of fuselage was later found.

The "no planes" theory over-relies on one or two pieces of video footage and ignores all others.

The "no planes" theory has no explanation for large aircraft debris found on top of tall buildings or embedded in WTC perimeter columns.

The "no planes" theory does not account for random video shot by random people up to 5 miles away (my estimate from terrain matching of some clips), nor does it explain how TPTB would prevent about 5 million potential witnesses from grabbing a random tape of "friends" episodes and plonking the camera on the balcony.

"No planes" is, as you say, an idiotic denial of evidence. I might have been able to be convinced a number of years ago regarding a LIHOP theory, but this one is just daffy.
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The videos were doctored.

RADAR? I think the ATC logs were destroyed.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0507-10.htm

http://www.wanttoknow.info/faadestroyed911tape

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/destroyed.html
 
Clayton Moore said:
The videos were doctored.
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Oh, joy. A one-line dismissal of everything I've typed again. How not surprising.

Also: Unsupported assertion and empty rhetoric.

By "the videos" do you mean every singe one of the clips in the compilations you and I have posted upthread? The ones shot from 30 different distances and angles showing showing the exact same events in 3-dimensional space, without inconsistencies? Those videos? The ones that show consistent trajectory angle and velocity for 2 different pieces of large plane ejecta, the final resting place of which can be calculated using the videos?

By "were doctored" do you mean that something was added, or something was deleted? Do you mean to say that the mysterious "pwers that be" were able to "doctor" every single VHS camcorder tape in the hands of private citizens in a 5+ mile radius of the WTC, a population of about 5 million people? That somehow not one single tape was overlooked by the mysterious, magical conspirators, even the ones that the owners themselves forgot about in the chaos of the subsequent days and only remembered weeks, months, even in one case years later? Somehow even the tape originally containing episodes of "friends" but overwritten with camcorder footage shot from the apartment balcony of young parents 8 blocks away was "doctored" despite the fact they forgot the tape and only released it in 2006 when it was rediscovered after they moved?

So how did they "doctor" the landscape to scatter airplane debris exactly consistent with the evidence of over 30 different videos? How did they get a 100 square foot slab of fuselage on top of a 40 story building in the middle of the most visible, most public, most visually documented event in history?

I don't expect an informed and referenced detailed answer, but yet another mindless one-line dismissal from you. So far you've not failed to fail to disappoint me in this expectation.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
The videos were doctored.
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How about the millions of eyeballs trained on the towers at the time of the second impact?

The inside-jobbers merely chose the most hi-vis target, in the middle of one of the most population-dense spots on the globe (also the media center of the same) on a morning with a clear sky, to try and fake something of a magnitude never accomplished before or since, all while planting physical evidence of the imaginary airplanes - the complexity and logistics necessary to accomplish that part, as well as the whole, beyond measure.

And that's just a quick run-down. But sure, say the videos were doctored. To avoid continued ridicule, prove it.
 
Clayton Moore said:
It was used as an expletive. When spoken it portrays shock or surprise or other emotion. It is always spontaneous.

Writing it was not spontaneous.


It's a person attacking Christians by pretending to be shocked.
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No, it was a Christian attacking a warped idea that the plane was switched (or whatever the hell you're talking about) behind the logo on a TV screen.
 
No. No. NO! Clayton said the videos--ALL the videos--were doctored. That's good enough for me
 
Clayton Moore said:
The videos were doctored.

RADAR? I think the ATC logs were destroyed.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0507-10.htm

http://www.wanttoknow.info/faadestroyed911tape

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/destroyed.html
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Would a Christian lie and make up a big crazy lie about doctored videos? Your video statement is a lie. Why do you like? What would Christ do? No lies. Why do you lie? Are you a follower of Christ, but you spread lies about 911; not very Christ like.

The RADAR tapes were not destroyed. The tapes are the ones made by voice, by controllers, and they were not of value for your lies. Need to read for meaning in this case and learn why 911 truth sources are liars.

Did you read the sources you posted? They have nothing to do with RADAR.

The sources have lies in them, the tapes of communication with planes were not destroyed, I have the transcripts; your source are lies filled with woo, made up by nuts, and news reports you don't understand have no value for your woo of an inside job.
 
beachnut said:
Would a Christian lie and make up a big crazy lie about doctored videos? Your video statement is a lie. Why do you like? What would Christ do? No lies. Why do you lie? Are you a follower of Christ, but you spread lies about 911; not very Christ like.

The RADAR tapes were not destroyed. The tapes are the ones made by voice, by controllers, and they were not of value for your lies. Need to read for meaning in this case and learn why 911 truth sources are liars.

Did you read the sources you posted? They have nothing to do with RADAR.

The sources have lies in them, the tapes of communication with planes were not destroyed, I have the transcripts; your source are lies filled with woo, made up by nuts, and news reports you don't understand have no value for your woo of an inside job.
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They must be in it for the money. Not.

Liars always have a motive to lie. The debunkers lie to protect Israel and the neoconservatives who instigated and profit from 9/11.
 
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