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Jane Harman’s father a Nazi refugee.

I keep checking in for MaGz's post schooling all of you doubting thomas's, but he must have been delayed.
 
Of course he's delayed. It takes hours days weeks months to do the kind of in depth research of the kind MaGZ does to ensure he never says anything wrong or stupid.
 
catsmate1 said:
There's no mention of her father in that bio.
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Well then.... if she had no father then MagZ must obviously have been correct in writing that he could not possibly have been a refugee from Nazi Germany in 1935. If she had no father then her parents obviously couldn't have come to the U.S, together in 1935, MagZ was correct in doubting that. "How can this be?"

In that case, other online bios which state that her father was born in Poland in 1911, lived in Cologne from infancy and studied medicine in Germany before moving to the U.S., alone, in 1935 shortly after ending his medical studies, can't possibly be right.

Fuelair and MagZ are on the right track. Whole cloth ... or knit ware ... Mrs. Harman must be a real life sock puppet. Only question is ... are ... who made her and for what purpose?
 
Lord Emsworth said:
1935 oppression was so-so. It got worse, much worse, later.

ETA: I thought pretty much everybody knew that.
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Wouldn't you agree, though, that it is only by comparison, that the words so-so seem appropriate for measures already enacted by 1935? Seems to me that so-so is appropriate only in the knowledge that it got worse much worse soon after. By itself, setting quota along racial divides for such things as new admissions into institutes of higher learning and enacting rules in attempts to prevent those of non aryan heritage from graduating who entered such institutions prior to the new laws coming into effect, doesn't seem so-so.

Olenhusen notes here that in the drafts for the 1933 law "Gesetz gegen die Überfüllung deutscher Schulen und Hochschulen" this sentence was used: "gegen Überfremdung deutscher Schulen und Hochschulen." Certainly so-so as precursors but plenty "Holy ****" in isolation in any other time or place.
You'd assume everybody already knew that.
 
Is MaGZ's point that, if Jane Harman's father graduated from medical school and emigrated to the U.S. in 1935 (graduation could have been before that date) then in 1935 the Jews were not being persecuted ?

Does the reasoning then follow.... If oppression in 1935 was exaggerated or non-existent (contrary to the claims of, well, pretty much everyone) then everything that followed was also either exaggerated or fabricated. Hence because Jane Harman's father emigrated in 1935, the Holocaust never happened.

If that's the case then why doesn't MaGZ just say so and make the claim clearly ?
 
MaGZ said:
Jane Harman’s father was a Nazi refugee. Her father Dr. Adolph N. Lakes was born in Poland moved to Germany and graduated from medical school in 1935. Then he and his wife came to the United States. How can this be? I thought Jews were an oppressed minority in Germany during this period.
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2. Die Auswirkung der Gesetzgebung

[…]Die zahl jüdischer studierender halbierte sich im Vergleich vom Sommersemester 1932 zu Sommersemester 1933 bei den männlicher Studenten von 2.698 auf 1.302, bei weiblichen Studentinnen von 1.252 auf 606. Bereits im Wintersemester 1935/36 fand man unter insgesamt 89.093 Studierenden an den deutschen Hochschulen nur noch 538 Studenten Jüdischen Glaubensbekenntnisse. Die Zahl de Studierenden jüdischer Abstammung wurde zu diesem Zeitpunkt mit 1.232 angegeben.
Wie sich die Auswirkungen hinsichtlich der einzelnen Fakultäten darstellen, läßt sich nur schwer ermitteln. Nach einer Mitteilung des Deutschen Ärzteblattes vom November 1934 hatte sich beispielsweise die Zahl der Jüdische Medizinstudenten von 1.893 im Sommersemester 1932 über 916 im Sommersemester 1933 auf lediglich 366 in 1934 reduziert. Damit waren seit 1932 rund vier fünftel der jüdischen Medizinstudenten aus ihren Fakultäten gedrängt worden.

from: Alltag im Zivilisationsbruch by Bernhard Müller (2003) p.148.
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Thus, while the implementation of discriminatory laws was already having an effect in reducing the number of Jewish medical students in the years Jane Harman's father studied medicine in Germany - they didn't yet eliminate Jewish students completely. In the year some sources indicate Jane Hartman's father graduated, 366 Jewish medical students remained out of 1.893 two years earlier.
So whatever your point is, besides the hood, it can't have anything to do with the discriminatory laws created and enforced by the nazis regarding availability of education for non-aryans in Germany, can it?
 
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The Don said:
Is MaGZ's point that, if Jane Harman's father graduated from medical school and emigrated to the U.S. in 1935 (graduation could have been before that date) then in 1935 the Jews were not being persecuted ?

Does the reasoning then follow.... If oppression in 1935 was exaggerated or non-existent (contrary to the claims of, well, pretty much everyone) then everything that followed was also either exaggerated or fabricated. Hence because Jane Harman's father emigrated in 1935, the Holocaust never happened.

If that's the case then why doesn't MaGZ just say so and make the claim clearly ?
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He doesn't want to look like an idiot.

The words "stable" and "door" spring to mind, for some reason.
 
Did young Mr. Lakes perhaps have and retain Polish nationality while he lived in Germany, MagZ? If so, did you consider what Béla Bodó wrote about "Foreign Students in Nazi Germany" and how the policies described in that article might have influenced Mr. Lakes' university enrolment and studies in Nazi Germany, before you publicly expressed ... ?
 
You probably noticed we're skipping a few things here and there -for now- but can I just point out that Michael Grüttner writes, in his book Studenten im Dritten Reich, that it was made increasingly more difficult for German Jews to complete their medical studies in their own country, on page 218 for example he says: "Schon im Februar 1935 folgte eine weitere Verschärfung. Eine Verordnung des Reichsinnenministeriums machte die Zulassung zu den Prüfungen und die Erteilung der Approbation für Mediziner und Zahnmediziner von dem "Nachweis der arischen Abstammung" abhängig. Ausnahmen waren nur noch "aus besonderen gründen gestattet"."
Notes as his source: "VO über die änderung der Prüfungsordnung für Ärzte und Zahnärzte vom 5.2.1935, Reichsministerialblatt 1935, S.65."

Was Mr. Lakes perhaps admitted to the exams on one of those exceptions that year? Would you find that exceptionable, MaGZ? Issuing a decree requiring evidence of aryan descent as a precondition for sitting for the final exams to become a doctor, that does seem like a form of oppression to me.
 
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MaGZ said:
I thought Jews were an oppressed minority in Germany during this period.
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Hi again, back in General Topics, I see. Do you have a few moments to explain this thread while you're here? I'm still not sure what you mean. Is the life story of Jane Harman's father supposed to be an indication that Jews were either not a minority or were not oppressed in this period?

"Als Reaktion auf die antijüdische Gesetzgebung in der Anfangsphase des Dritten Reichs verließen 1933 und 1934 über 1700 Ärtzte und Ärztinnen das Land." That's what Harmut Titze wrote in Der Akademikerzyklus. He attributes this to Kümmel (1985) which turns out to be an article with a title, Die Ausschaltung rassisch und politisch mißliebiger Ärzte, which indicates to me that, in 1985 at least, Werner F. Kümmel didn't share the point you appear to be making.
 
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