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Maurice Ledifficile said:
["How do you know you're hearing Tracey's voice in flaccon1"]



I have to answer that.

I don't know. My bad. I thought I remembered Tracey's high pitched voice from en earlier recording. That earlier recording was flaccon1. I can be retarded at times.

I have been a bit obsessed with flaccon1 and have listened to it well over a hundred times, with various EQ settings. I have concluded that it is certainly not English.

It could, to my ear, be German, Dutch, or a Scandinavian language. It is not English, or a romance language. Nor does it sound close to Russian. I would bet good money that a native speaker could understand most of it. I wish someone would. It would probably not help prove any claim, but then again, nothing in this thread does, so this distraction is fair game, I suppose.

Tracey recognizes her own voice, but has so far ignored questions about what languages she speaks.

How about a video of Tracey doing her thing? A friend could record it. We could see a demonstration in action and move closer to proving a claim.

We should be done with stories by now. We asked for a clear testable claim at page one or two. This is almost page 100 and this point is still being dodged. Can we blame anyone for losing patience once in a while?
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Patience, I was offline for three weeks, and more. I am still trying to get through posters who think I'm blanking their questions.

English.
 
jsfisher said:
I fully understand the academic interest many (not just caleprime) have taken in these recordings. Unfortunately, none of it gets flaccon or us any closer to an actual, objectively verifiable claim of anything super-natural.

@flaccon,
What is it these spirits can do, reliably, that would help rule out pareidolia? So far, none of your claims have held up to any scrutiny. Just about everything you've suggested has proven to be an invalid assumption on your part.

This question is crucial: Can the spirits provide any verifiable information previously unknown to the listener? So far, the answer has been no.

How do you reconcile that?
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They do actually inform me of a lot, but nothing you would understand. They also provide me with names etc, places. Are you are asking if they are they psychic?
 
I think I’ve figured out the liar issue. You are not a liar.

Liars don’t really mean what they say.

You just don’t say what you really mean.

It makes it tough to talk when we have to clarify everything.
 
Donn said:
Then how did you get "flaccon 1.wma" uploaded/emailed? Hmm? Recall, that's one of your so-called clear examples of spirit speech. You managed with that one. Why not the one Daylightstar has asked you for, for ages?



Do you realize that you sound like Gollum? Did the spirits really fear arrest? Surely it was you, yourself, who feared the police? Hmmm?



When does prevarication and stubborn suspension of adult communication cross the line into lies?

Oh, PS: Please supply the recording with the spirit saying "Oh my god, that JREF can have us arrested, have us arrested Trace".

Kthxbai.
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Seriously, that is what they said. No they obviously don't fear arrest, he/she was being sarcastic.
 
abaddon said:
I don't care. To claim you only learned just now how MD5 works is to take an enormous dump over everyone who has tried to explain it to you.
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Ok abadon, I will correct myself, I only learned what an MD5 hash was, yesterday.
 
flaccon said:
I might purchase one and say yes so you don't ask me this question ever again.
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Well, you could just have said "yes" or "no". That would have been easier all round.

<edit to add> I do note that once again you are deflecting and you haven't actually answered the question, but I will stop asking.
 
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SezMe said:
This is what endears you to us, flaccon. Your clear, precise statements would make an English major blush with jealousy. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

More seriously, I must confess a great deal of frustration at this point. We go on for page after page of "I hear <>". "No, it's noise." "Well, I hear <>." Was the file name <> or []? "Did you hash it?" "No, it was over the phone." "Was that before or after you sent it to box?" And on and on and on .......

I wanna scream, STOP! This is just nonsense. All this file manipulation, hearing "stuff" or not, etc. is just enabling flaccon to continue her delusions.

There is not ever going to be a clear claim. There is never going to be a protocol. There is never going to be any kind of viable test. There will never be an admittance by flaccon that she has deluded herself.

I wish people would not continue to engage with flaccon. All of this is just a diversion from flaccon getting the help she needs. We can't make that happen over the internet but we can stop giving her avenues to pursue instead of getting real help.

Yeah, yeah, I'll still follow the thread - it's a slow motion train wreck and I can't stop looking. But I sincerely believe we're doing more harm than good.

/rant
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Look, I offered to leave this thread alone, a few times. We are getting nowhere. No one will send me a recording, I do keep asking. Just a file of silence. Upload it toBox.com for all to hear. Then send it to my email address and lets see what happens? I'm willing to give it a go.
 
trustbutverify said:
May I suggest you spent a little time away from this Alice in Wonderland conversation, have some of your favorite junk food and watch a little "Kung Fu" or "Star Trek, the Next Generation". Works well for me.
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Top secret:

I didn't realize flaccon hadn't read my letter. I thought she was just acting like it never happened. I then went into semi-acerbic mode. I should have listened to you...
 
Vortigern99 said:
Avoiding giving answers to direct questions, and refusing to acknowledge rational explanations of events, are forms of lying because they are both ways of withholding the truth.

Tracey avoids answering whether she speaks any other language. She avoids providing us with the files in which voices say, "We don't belong in a circus", and "Oh my god, that JREF can have us arrested, have us arrested Trace". She refuses to make a video to prove her claims that no one is in the room when voices are recorded. She refuses to acknowledge that audio files will change only if she herself manually compresses them before upload, and that she simply misunderstood Alderbank's posts on the subject. She refuses to explain what she means by "2 funerals" and "... a big fib that cost me £8.000, ..." and/or how that relates to her claim of "church protection". She refuses to admit she tells her friends and family what to expect before playing them audio files. She refuses to explain the discrepancy between her earlier claim that she held onto speakers during file playback, and her later insistence that she never held onto speakers. She refuses to acknowledge that anecdotes of events only she witnessed are not evidence of anything. She refuses to post her GP's letter without redactions, regardless of what they may or may not prove. She avoids answering whether she owns a budgie bird. She refuses to acknowledge that because she can't explain an event doesn't make it paranormal.

All forms of dishonesty. Avoidance of truth. Lying.

ETA: I see Tracey has provided Daylightstar with some audio files that purport to be the requested "circus" files. As of this moment, these files have not been confirmed as the correct ones.

ETA: Tracey also refuses to explain what she means in recounting an event in which a jailed man shouted for 72 hours, which she has claimed can prove her "voices" are not hallucinations.
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Refusing or getting round to ? I seriously doubt those files will be heard, they distort or something. I am still awaiting for someone to forward me a silent recording through, after uploading it to Box.com. Never matter.

I did not say that chanting for 72 hours proves anything regarding voices. I pointed it out because there will be documented evidence of this impossibility.
 
Biscuit said:
Well I am planning on working on my bike tonight so I am sure to cut myself. I will bleed on my shirt, let it dry, and then we can zoom in on pictures taken of the stains and point out the "art."
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I didn't cut myself, it was a couple of drops that came from a scar. That shouldn't have happened. Nor should of the in-take of breath.
 
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