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[jsfisher]

No bird on recording flaccon_1.

I'm 95% sure.

We need more recordings.
They don't have to be of anything, just her speaking.

Surely, that's not difficult.

I fully understand the academic interest many (not just caleprime) have taken in these recordings. Unfortunately, none of it gets flaccon or us any closer to an actual, objectively verifiable claim of anything super-natural.

@flaccon,
What is it these spirits can do, reliably, that would help rule out pareidolia? So far, none of your claims have held up to any scrutiny. Just about everything you've suggested has proven to be an invalid assumption on your part.

This question is crucial: Can the spirits provide any verifiable information previously unknown to the listener? So far, the answer has been no.

How do you reconcile that?

 

[calebprime]

I fully understand the academic interest many (not just caleprime) have taken in these recordings. Unfortunately, none of it gets flaccon or us any closer to an actual, objectively verifiable claim of anything super-natural.
@flaccon,
What is it these spirits can do, reliably, that would help rule out pareidolia? So far, none of your claims have held up to any scrutiny. Just about everything you've suggested has proven to be an invalid assumption on your part.

This question is crucial: Can the spirits provide any verifiable information previously unknown to the listener? So far, the answer has been no.

How do you reconcile that?

I bow and yield to the larger process. Others should lead that.

I can offer experience, good gear, a quiet room, and trained ears. (No budgies on this bus, imnsho!)

 

[iknownothing]

In case anyone else is confused like I was, in the US "budgies" are known as "parakeets".

My first guess from context was some kind of spirit -- like a cute little poltergeist or something. Eventually I caught on.

 

[tuxcat]

@flaccon,
What is it these spirits can do, reliably, that would help rule out pareidolia? So far, none of your claims have held up to any scrutiny. Just about everything you've suggested has proven to be an invalid assumption on your part.

This question is crucial: Can the spirits provide any verifiable information previously unknown to the listener? So far, the answer has been no.

These are things that flaccon has to answer before we can do anything further. Until then all we seem to get is a perpetual stream of pareidolia generated by a proprietary crapware game.

 

[Biscuit]

Flaccon, I for one, would be very interested to get your response and thoughts about this post.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

How do yo know ........... ?

["How do you know you're hearing Tracey's voice in flaccon1"]



I have to answer that.

I don't know. My bad. I thought I remembered Tracey's high pitched voice from en earlier recording. That earlier recording was flaccon1. I can be retarded at times.

I have been a bit obsessed with flaccon1 and have listened to it well over a hundred times, with various EQ settings. I have concluded that it is certainly not English.

It could, to my ear, be German, Dutch, or a Scandinavian language. It is not English, or a romance language. Nor does it sound close to Russian. I would bet good money that a native speaker could understand most of it. I wish someone would. It would probably not help prove any claim, but then again, nothing in this thread does, so this distraction is fair game, I suppose.

Tracey recognizes her own voice, but has so far ignored questions about what languages she speaks.

How about a video of Tracey doing her thing? A friend could record it. We could see a demonstration in action and move closer to proving a claim.

We should be done with stories by now. We asked for a clear testable claim at page one or two. This is almost page 100 and this point is still being dodged. Can we blame anyone for losing patience once in a while?

 

[tuxcat]

It sounds like someone with a Northwest accent speaking in Dutch or something similar - a Germanic language perhaps?

00:09 Scottish accent.

ETA: It'd also be a damn sight easier to figure out what's going on if it wasn't so compressed!

 

[Donn]

Just for fun I have been looking for an online demonstration of audio pardolia and I found these two clips that might be of some use is demonstrating the powerful effect of your brains desire to interpret noise to scrappy and flaccon.

Listen to audio clip number 1 a few times and write down what you hear.

Then listen to audio clip number 2 just once should do. Now go back and listen to #1 again.

Be honest with your results and maybe you'll understand this a bit better.

^ This
^ This
I am boggled!

 

[abaddon]

Say, Abbadon, I have an experiment for you to try with your remaining free trial period of Youcam: What happens if you make a new recording while playing a previous recording in windows media player? Can you select the computer's audio output as your audio source, so that your new video gets the sound from your old video?

Just a thought.

Abaddon, would you be willing to take the time to try that?

Sheesh. Dunno how I missed that. Sure I will. I suspect what will result from such a test. But let's not prejudge. Right now is not a good time as someone is getting some interesting and noisy work done. In a few hours the ambient will drop, then I will give it a whirl.

 

[calebprime]

Good work, abaddon.

I suspect that you're on the right track -- some kind of sound-on-sound or overdubbing or accidental mixing is happening.

 

[Donn]

I sent jsfisher a recording, I think it has been titled Flaccon 1. There is a womans voice and also a gents voice, who isn't actually replying to the woman.

Er.. That file sounds like a mess. I don't hear clear voices or complete words.

The womans voice is mine and I have no idea who the gents voice belongs to.

I don't believe you. This is not an insult.

 

[Patchwork Moth]

I gave in and listened to flaccon 1- if I had to guess I would say the male voice is speaking English but with a strong geordie accent.

 

[Donn]

No fibber eh? Here's this post again:
Why don't you provide that recording?!

I was informed that recordings become distorted/lose quality after uploading, you have no chance of hearing it,

Then how did you get "flaccon 1.wma" uploaded/emailed? Hmm? Recall, that's one of your so-called clear examples of spirit speech. You managed with that one. Why not the one Daylightstar has asked you for, for ages?

but I have a recording with a rather sarcastic spirit speaking about JREF. Somewhere in a post, Alderbank had mentioned reporting me to the police. One of the spirits say "Oh my god, that JREF can have us arrested, have us arrested Trace" You would stand a better chance with that one if its any use to you.

Do you realize that you sound like Gollum? Did the spirits really fear arrest? Surely it was you, yourself, who feared the police? Hmmm?

Deciding not to waste your time trying to hear something I know you will not hear after transfer, is not fibbing is it. Would you mind if I asked you to stop accusing me of lying?

When does prevarication and stubborn suspension of adult communication cross the line into lies?

Oh, PS: Please supply the recording with the spirit saying "Oh my god, that JREF can have us arrested, have us arrested Trace".

Kthxbai.

 

[Donn]

So what you're actually saying is that you have a recording of people talking and a budgie chirping and the woman in the recording sounds like you but can't be you since you have never said "Alfie's getting on fine" or whatever it is she says.

You hear Alfie, I don't.

This is the very moment of your delusion. Why do you alone have the magic ears to hear correctly? Why is Jack's "Alfie" wrong, but whatever you hear is right?


I'll give you a guess. Got it? It's because you're hearing what you want to hear and then shutting out any alternatives.

 

[Donn]

I hear the gent say "What + Are there/or they + I'm Hysen" (a name maybe? dno) Then he says a muffled word. Then a full sentence. I can't make it out but when he says it, the tone in his voice alters, sounds like there's an echo or something different.

This is all in ref to "flaccon 1.wmv", the file that f say's contains clear words. Yeah, right. She can't even hear it herself.

Those spirits! What a merry bunch of pranksters.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Tracey, do you speak any other language?

Can you please say once and for all whether you are going to answer Daylightstar's question?

No one is calling you a liar, whatever that really means. Personally I only commented that you don't speak "all truth" as you claim. One could easily argue that you do lie.

An easy example would be that you have said that your "spirits" have a message for the world, that they said "We don't belong in a circus", that they said "Oh my god, that JREF can have us arrested, have us arrested Trace". Surely we could hear that as well, couldn't we?

You have the time and technology to show those recordings, but don't, or more likely can't. These claims could of course be considered lies, since you refuse to back them with facts.

I know it's not easy talking to a dozen people at once, but come on. Either make a video and prove yourself, or quit claiming you can hear clear speech in your recordings. Enough is enough.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

...I have been a bit obsessed with flaccon1 and have listened to it well over a hundred times, with various EQ settings. I have concluded that it is certainly not English.

It could, to my ear, be German, Dutch, or a Scandinavian language. It is not English, or a romance language. Nor does it sound close to Russian. I would bet good money that a native speaker could understand most of it. I wish someone would. It would probably not help prove any claim, but then again, nothing in this thread does, so this distraction is fair game, I suppose.

Tracey recognizes her own voice, but has so far ignored questions about what languages she speaks.

It's funny how open to interpretation it is. By contrast with you, I have no doubt that everyone except the budgie is speaking English.


This is how it sounds to me;

The female voice, which we are told is flaccon's voice but somehow not flaccon, is the first thing we hear. Right at the start she is finishing a word "...ay". Possibly "Okay?". Then from about 1s to about 2.5s she says "Alpie's (?) getting on fine, don't worry". then repeats at about 3s "Alpie's getting on fine, dad." and then more emphatically from 7s to the end "Alpie's getting on fine".

The main male voice utters something, just an "uh" or similar, just as flaccon says "Alpie" for the first time. Then at about 2.5 seconds he says "Are there?". Next, at 4s, he says "OK". From 6s he says something like "there was that ______ before _____Top Gear, like talking abou...".

There's another male voice, but it's quieter and only manages to break through in a few places. Can't make out words but it sounds more Southeast English compared to the main two who sound sort-of-Birmingham to me. Might just be a voice on the TV.

The budgerigar/parakeet, which I hear but calebprime doesn't, makes his appearance at about 1s, whistling and then just after flaccon says "don't worry" he chirps loudly, overloading the mic. He chirps again just at 6s.

As I mentioned once before, it was only because I first listened on a tiny speaker (and because I used to have one as a pet) that I inferred it was a budgie. The better the speakers I listen on, the more incomprehensible it sounds.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

It's funny how open to interpretation it is. By contrast with you, I have no doubt that everyone except the budgie is speaking English.


This is how it sounds to me;

The female voice, which we are told is flaccon's voice but somehow not flaccon, is the first thing we hear. Right at the start she is finishing a word "...ay". Possibly "Okay?". Then from about 1s to about 2.5s she says "Alpie's (?) getting on fine, don't worry". then repeats at about 3s "Alpie's getting on fine, dad." and then more emphatically from 7s to the end "Alpie's getting on fine".

The main male voice utters something, just an "uh" or similar, just as flaccon says "Alpie" for the first time. Then at about 2.5 seconds he says "Are there?". Next, at 4s, he says "OK". From 6s he says something like "there was that ______ before _____Top Gear, like talking abou...".

There's another male voice, but it's quieter and only manages to break through in a few places. Can't make out words but it sounds more southern compared to the main two who sound sort-of-Birmingham to me. Might just be a voice on the TV.

The budgerigar/parakeet, which I hear but calebprime doesn't, makes his appearance at about 1s, whistling and then just after flaccon says "don't worry" he chirps loudly, overloading the mic. He chirps again just at 6s.

As I mentioned once before, it was only because I first listened on a tiny speaker (and because I used to have one as a pet) that I inferred it was a budgie. The better the speakers I listen on, the more incomprehensible it sounds.

That's the thing. We can clearly hear, yet we can't make out the words. A man uses a German "r". There is very little chance this is English. Sounds more like the gibberish movie I posted than anything. Oh well. We may find out someday. ☻☺☻

 

[trustbutverify]

These are things that flaccon has to answer before we can do anything further. Until then all we seem to get is a perpetual stream of pareidolia generated by a proprietary crapware game.

There's really no further to go. The OP has no evidence of paranormal activity. She can't produce any. She refuses to accept the possibility that she could be wrong. No matter what evidence is produced in opposition to the claim, the claimant has already indicated she will reject it because of her 20 years of supernatural experience.

Flaccon has no interest in testing her claims because they have already been proven. What is the point of this thread?

 

[tuxcat]

There's really no further to go. The OP has no evidence of paranormal activity. She can't produce any. She refuses to accept the possibility that she could be wrong. No matter what evidence is produced in opposition to the claim, the claimant has already indicated she will reject it because of her 20 years of supernatural experience.

Flaccon has no interest in testing her claims because they have already been proven. What is the point of this thread?

That's what I'm hoping to demonstrate - that she might just be wrong. Sadly I don't think it's going to work.