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Maurice Ledifficile said:
I don't know that that's what lies under the paint. I thought I remembered Flaccon saying there was mention of "disabilities" being covered up in the letter.

Whatever it is, it doesn't help Tracey's case, or she would proudly show it. I'm pretty sure there's nothing backing up the idea that there are spirits in the recordings and drops of blood.
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All of us are dancing around the MA here, without outright stating what we mean.

I made the offer to fly over and I meant it and would have done so. Luckily I was gazzumped by Alderbank. And I must thank Alderbank for being Johnny on the spot, and saving me the expense of paying a sack of cash for no good reason.

We all have yet to see any recording which has clear voices of any sort. Not one has been produced, only claims that they don't appear on your computer, or any computer or fingers are required except when they are not, and on and on. I will apply for the MDC except when I won't. This test will work except when it won't?

Sure.
 
abaddon said:
All of us are dancing around the MA here, without outright stating what we mean.

I made the offer to fly over and I meant it and would have done so. Luckily I was gazzumped by Alderbank. And I must thank Alderbank for being Johnny on the spot, and saving me the expense of paying a sack of cash for no good reason.

We all have yet to see any recording which has clear voices of any sort. Not one has been produced, only claims that they don't appear on your computer, or any computer or fingers are required except when they are not, and on and on. I will apply for the MDC except when I won't. This test will work except when it won't?

Sure.
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MA be darned, I've been clear enough as to why I personally don't think there is a case for even bothering the JREF with a test.

We've been focusing on the sound files for some reason, but I've looked at the bloody "art". The whole case for extremely interpretive pareidolia is pretty clear right there.

Perhaps many of us thought that after actually refuting the "evidence" there would then be an opportunity to help Tracey move along.

Since we're still technically at page two, my optimism is dwindling at an alarming rate.
 
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Within our clear expositions
to paranormal addict eyes
is the image of selective
bias and subjective desire
paradoxical pareidolia
turns all reason into lies.
 
Donn said:
Within our clear expositions
to paranormal addict eyes
is the image of selective
bias and subjective desire
paradoxical pareidolia
turns all reason into lies.
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Cute enough.

Btw, your signature could easily be the title of this thread.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
MA be darned, I've been clear enough as to why I personally don't think there is a case for even bothering the JREF with a test.

We've been focusing on the sound files for some reason, but I've looked at the bloody "art". The whole case for extremely interpretive pareidolia is pretty clear right there.

Perhaps many of us thought that after actually refuting the "evidence" there would then be an opportunity to help Tracey move along.

Since we're still technically at page two, my optimism is dwindling at an alarming rate.
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The blood stains nonsense is still online. I will forgive that on the basis of incompetence. For now.
 
Two WMA files posted

Flaccon sent me a pair of video recordings. She asked that I upload only the audio part if that were possible. It was, and I did. I sanitized the file names since they may have been suggestive of what you are supposed to hear.

I'll let flaccon provide any introduction or explanation for them she likes. She did ask, though, that I view the first video before uploading. In the first (flaccon 1), her face was clearly visible and her lips were not moving.
 
jsfisher said:
I would be happy to if and only if flaccon agrees. The higher-resolution originals have more bleed-through than flaccon may have realized. I think it only fair she gets a chance to preempt with an "Oops!" before I share the images.
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That is entirely fair enough. We may have to wait a while, though.
 
Re. flaccon 1: the spirits appear to have a budgie. Tweeting from the Other Side.

I am on tenterhooks to learn whatever it's hoped this recording will prove.

Actually, no, I'm not. I am wondering how long this can go on before it gets through to flaccon that actual evidence would consist of her (or indeed anyone else) being given verifiable information by the spirits which she could not have known otherwise.

Recordings of voices or of might-be-voices are not something which requires a supernatural explanation. Recordings of might-be-voices which give you genuine information you did not already know would be another matter entirely.
 
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SezMe said:
Ya have to be a bit careful. Google does a lot of personalizing of search results based on location, other searches, etc. What's first for you wasn't even on the first page for me.
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Was number one for me, but I had already been there, so it's a fair bet that skewed the results.

As far as I had time to check it out the docs qualifications match those on flaccon's letter, so...
 
Anyone out there still convinced this is something other than digital compression artifacts giving us a collective Rorschach test?


Here's some pareidolia for anyone who needs their fix.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Glitch_video.ogg


ETA: I should add that the video is from wikipedia, under "compression artifact" and sounds very much like the crap we get from Flaccon's rig.
 
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Maurice Ledifficile said:
Anyone out there still convinced this is something other than digital compression artifacts giving us a collective Rorschach test?


Here's some pareidolia for anyone who needs their fix.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Glitch_video.ogg
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Well, I really do not know how to answer that. Since I was a teen, I have known how to manipulate sound on speakers via gripping wires. Heck, we spent stupid amounts of time messing with the impromptu orchestra we invented in our idle student hours. That claim is off the table according to flaccon, so go figure.

<insert link here to the toob vid I failed to be bothered to look up>

And that is the point, really. flaccon will apparently claim anything until found out. At which point she will toss in a new hand grenade, while failing to acknowledge the failure of the last hand grenade.

What evidence can I provide? Proof? Examples? and so forth? All right here in this very thread.

What evidence has been provided by flaccon? Nothing.

What would convince me to climb on a Ryanair bus service? Nothing.

I could do it for tuppence, but flaccon has so busted her cred that even if she offered to pay for the flights and accomodation, my knee jerk reaction would be to ask "Does the UK exist?" and I would not believe the answer given.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
...Here's some pareidolia for anyone who needs their fix.
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And some more.
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(a pair of doilies)
 
At last: A hypothesis to attempt to falsify!

Follow my line of logic, if you will, through this chain of posts:

flaccon said:
I didn't have a deck of cards last night, and I didn't think to purchase any today. They we're showing me last night that they can clearly call out cards. The spirits say to claim "special fingers" but apart from all the rest, can you see why I don't wish to claim that? It sounds crazy. I can't actually test it till I need a new computer. So I opted for "Spirits exist and can talk" It saves looking sillier.
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Thank u, however I still need to work it out for what it truly is.

I have thought this, these spirits wish me to claim something I am not comfortable with (Special fingers) They look like perfectly normal fingers to me (and not a face in sight) Speaking of sight, that site as I keep explaining is ... (etc.. ) and it makes no odds to me to change it about. I thought to take out all the claims, so it doesn't appear like I am touting for business at all. Then purchase a new laptop, and test to see if I can actually calibrate it with identical sounds. If I can, then I could make such a claim.

I've never been into the paranormal, psychics, tests etc, but I'm willing to learn.

(I do know how surreal the story sounds, but it really is what happened)
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Being within, they get through to the electric wires through my fingers.

I have to point out if that if this was my imagination, I would not have forgotten that they had the ability to reply in older records. They showed this ability 8 months ago, and I'd asked them to not alter the recordings (no point in writing messages down) They only reminded me the other night due to the bird noises outside. I'm wondering if Alderbank can work out where the frequency is coming from. He explains "created" but by what or where? It's my second laptop with the same noises. I'll upgrade this laptop and see what happens.
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abaddon said:
Since I was a teen, I have known how to manipulate sound on speakers via gripping wires. Heck, we spent stupid amounts of time messing with the impromptu orchestra we invented in our idle student hours. That claim is off the table according to flaccon, so go figure.
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Thank you, abaddon! Putting the above clues together, what appears (to me) to be happening is that flaccon/Tracey -- who holds with her fingers onto the wires that connect her laptop(s) to the speakers -- is producing the sounds herself in the same way that abaddon used to do.

Tracey is hearing the amplified noise of the speaker wire's metal end-piece, rubbing against the metal computer port into which the wire has been inserted. As she listens to otherwise silent or ambient-noise-only audio files, Tracey hears these amplified "fidget" noises because she is manipulating the speaker wire with her fingers.

She then applies audio pareidolia in the usual, normal, human way.

This explains what Tracey has meant when she says she only hears the "voices" during playback of the silent files. It explains why she can hear the noises on "older records" and on a different laptop. It also explains why none of us on this end can hear them: we're not finger-manipulating the speaker wires.


Snap. Or Eureka, as the case may be.
 
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