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Merged Continuation Part 2: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

Mumbles said:
:rolleyes:

And then listen as they laugh at you, and tell you to call back if something serious happens.
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:rolleyes:

So you think that if you call 911 and tell them someone is following you and that you are in fear that they are going to "laugh at you and tell you to call them back if something serious happens". It's good to see you are applying critical thinking to this.

While I don't see a young black man who probably by and large views the police as enemies calling them in this circumstance, if he did, at a minimum I expect they have advised him to do something crazy :rolleyes:, like, get in his home as fast as possible and wait for the police to be there. But it's safe to assume based on the time line he had little to no interest in doing that.
 
Mumbles said:
I really don't know what the entire "who was taller" debate is trying to prove in the first place. What, Martin was taller than Zimmerman, so running away was assault?
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Considering the relative sizes and that Martin had at least a 20 second head start, if he really was running away during the entire event then the chances of a confrontation between the two would have been exactly zero.
 
Mumbles said:
I really don't know what the entire "who was taller" debate is trying to prove in the first place. What, Martin was taller than Zimmerman, so running away was assault?
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The evidence supports that Martin assaulted Zimmerman. The taller is about Martin being a big guy with as the ME described a BMI of 22 which is in the normal range and no tiny little kid. But a big tall 17 year old who was fully capable of assaulting little fat George Zimmerman and did thus proving George's claim of self defense.
 
for the record, I do not think Zimmerman set out to kill and so this should not be a murder charge, however I do believe he caused the conflict through his actions, he did not have to leave the veheicle, he did not have to approach TM, and recall it was Zimmerman who trailed TM not the other way around on the basis of nothing.

Zimmerman has also been proved to be a liar too which makes it very hard for me to believe his claim of self defence.

I have done jury service twice and have sat in on two so called self defence cases, the last one had Mother for the one of the parties turn on the full waterworks, it was clear her son was guilty though he was a liar too.

He should be facing a manslaughter charge.
 
Dcdrac said:
for the record, I do not think Zimmerman set out to kill and so this should not be a murder charge, however I do believe he caused the conflict through his actions, he did not have to leave the veheicle, he did not have to approach TM, and recall it was Zimmerman who trailed TM not the other way around on the basis of nothing.

Zimmerman has also been proved to be a liar too which makes it very hard for me to believe his claim of self defence.

I have done jury service twice and have sat in on two so called self defence cases, the last one had Mother for the one of the parties turn on the full waterworks, it was clear her son was guilty though he was a liar too.

He should be facing a manslaughter charge.
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Not simply a liar but a perjurer.

George Zimmerman's Lawyer Admits His Client Lied
 
Wow, Martin's mom was lying through her teeth. She knows that wasn't her son screaming for help. But she sees $$$, and she needs to stick to the script.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Perjury requires an individual to lie under oath. Zimmerman did not testify. Therefor he did not perjure himself.
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BTW: Perjury does not simply require testimony.

Found in Penal Code 118 PC, California law defines "perjury" as deliberately giving false information while under oath.
You are subject to prosecution for perjury if you willfully give false information in any of the following circumstances:

List of potential perjury offenses.

  • when testifying in court,
  • when being deposed,
  • in a signed affidavit,
  • in a signed declaration,
  • in a DL 44 drivers license application at the DMV, or
  • in a signed certificate.
As a juror I swore an oath under penalty of perjury that I would follow the rules. If the court did not have a signed declaration for his finances then Zimmerman or it did not have Zimmerman sign any forms under penalty of perjury then the court is incompetent.
 
Mumbles said:
It seems quite the opposite to me - the evidence strongly suggests that Zimmerman assaulted Martin.
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Just out of curiosity what evidence do you have that strongly supports this? Please keep out speculation and opinion but use only what has been presented in court as of the end of court on 5 July 2013 as strong evidence that Zimmerman assaulted Martin.

I have seen evidence produced in a court of law (excluding Zimmerman's statements) that says that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, that Martin was straddling him MMA style, that Martin was making motions very similar to was was termed a "Ground and pound", that Zimmerman had injuries to his face and the back of his head, that aside from some injuries to his hands that Martin had no other injuries (outside of the gunshot of course), that the person who witnessed the "Ground and Pound" motions said that he asked Martin to stop and that he didn't even when informed that he was calling the police emergency number, that Zimmerman was calling for help and that he determined this by how the voice calling for help was loud and not echoing off of a wall about 20-30 feet away, and that the person on the bottom was facing him and so on and so forth.

Where is your strong evidence that Zimmerman assaulted Martin? Because right now the strong evidence is that Martin was assaulting Zimmerman just before he was shot and that there is no evidence that Zimmerman even touched Martin seeing as there were no wounds on Martin consistent with being assaulted.
 
Dcdrac said:
for the record, I do not think Zimmerman set out to kill and so this should not be a murder charge, however I do believe he caused the conflict through his actions, he did not have to leave the veheicle, he did not have to approach TM, and recall it was Zimmerman who trailed TM not the other way around on the basis of nothing.
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Please provide evidence that GZ approached TM, this should be easy for you since the prosecution just finished their case and if there was evidence of this they'd have presented it.
 
Mumbles said:
It seems quite the opposite to me - the evidence strongly suggests that Zimmerman assaulted Martin.
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You mean like the bruising and injuries from this assault on TM? No? How about witnesses who saw GZ assault TM? No? Perhaps you have video of the event? No. Um... so what evidence strongly suggests it other than your wishful thinking?
 
RandFan said:
My apologies. He lied to the court.
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From the article you linked :
While Mr. Zimmerman acknowledges that he allowed his financial situation to be misstated in court...

Not perjury. Perhaps not even a lie.

The real question is ... so what ? That was over a year ago. Is this the deciding factor for you on his innocence or guilt, or what ?
 
So far for the defense, 7 witnesses (2 friday, 5 today) claiming they recognize scream on 911 call as belonging to GZ.

MOM has Serino walk through Tracy Martin listening to 911 call and Tracy Martin saying "No", it was not his sons voice screaming on the tape.
 
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