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[pakeha]

...Tracey: The spirits are not protecting you. There are no demons. I would love to know what "comparing notes" means. You have stated that you compare notes with David Icke, of all people. Your outlook on life is not at all fantastic (well, not in the way you meant it here). You live in a world full of imagined entities, some evil and dangerous, some benevolent and protective. None of it is real.

Given the sheer number of beliefs you have in non-existent paranormal phenomena, and your relationship with folks like Icke, Roberts and Bulger, it is clear that you need to step back and have several chats with a qualified, competent counselor. This is no slight on you. It is just a fact.

You must give up your dream of introducing the spirits to the world. For one, they don't exist outside your mind, and for two, they are averse to proving their existence.

If you were to go for Randi's prize, you would need an actual letter from a an actual mental health professional.

You're rather bright, so I'm sure you'll understand that the skeptics' prizes are set up to demonstrate that all folks who have paranormal claims are mistaken or lying. The prizes are not there so we can humiliate ordinary people with emotional trouble, or those diagnosed with schizophrenia, for example.

This would only give ammunition to the likes of John Edward who could then say "anyone can prove that a schizophrenic's fantasies are not real. That proves nothing. I'm for real".

After all you've gone through, how much harm can it do to calmly walk to a mental health professional, clearly explain your history and see what they can do? Has it even occurred to you that this could actually fix your troubles with spirits, good and bad?



Bonus facts:

David Icke is a liar.
Mr. Roberts is making your situation worse.
The DaVinci code is a work of fiction (a lot of which is not even original).
The church won't help you because they can't.
Scrappy won't help you because he can't.
Bulger won't help you because he can't.

Modern healthcare professionals have a great deal of experience with the type of ordeal you're going through, and they can and will help.

Help is a good thing.

That is all.

This.
I wish you all the best, flaccon.

 

[jsfisher]

No, flaccon, they didn't "pass over". They died. All this nonsense regarding spirits is rooted in your inability to know the difference. Get some help.

You may be reading more into what she wrote than intended. She wrote "passed" as in "passed away", a common enough euphemism. The "over" is part of "over 8 years ago," and not "passed over [to the other side]" in the John Edward (BDITU) sense.

 

[dlorde]

... My claim is that the spirits have recently entered in to my lap top since she requested a silent file .

So, we have a new claim - a haunted laptop.

Scrappy, do you want to demonstrate or prove that spirits have entered your laptop?

If so, how do you intend to do so?

If not, why mention it at all?

 

[jsfisher]

flaccon emailed me two JPG files. She had taken snapshots of the top and bottom parts of the letter. The originals were 1.3 MB a piece, so I rescaled them to a more storage-friendly resolution, and here they are....

Click to enlarge. The redacting was hers.

 

[desertgal]

flaccon emailed me two JPG files. She had taken snapshots of the top and bottom parts of the letter. The originals were 1.3 MB a piece, so I rescaled them to a more storage-friendly resolution, and here they are....

Click to enlarge. The redacting was hers.

I don't know if it is a matter of concern, but her full name is clearly visible in the first picture.

It seems very odd to me that a professional medical practitioner would write such a letter. It doesn't appear to reflect well on him. Of course, we don't know what was stricken by Tracey, or the circumstances under which he wrote it. If, for example, it was intended to imply that Tracey's claims are the result of a mental health issue, which is likely.

 

[Vortigern99]

flaccon emailed me two JPG files. She had taken snapshots of the top and bottom parts of the letter. The originals were 1.3 MB a piece, so I rescaled them to a more storage-friendly resolution, and here they are....

Click to enlarge. The redacting was hers.

Finally! Objective evidence that demonstrates flaccon's name is spelled Tracey!

ETA: Also that she has Internet service.

 

[scrappy]

Alderbank

I'm sure you she remembers that Craig was using his own phone. He uses a different network from me. My phone was OK but I chose not to use it.

Tracy as you call her told me how she made audio recordings. I did not post that to make her look ridiculous but because it is relevant to the thread. I and others think that she had found out that she only heard the spirit voices when she recorded using that video format. That is confirmed with today's correspondence with jsfisher. Also, other posters have confirmed that she has described the method herself in this thread.

scrappy, I suspect that no-one but you is interested in which network carrier I use but we are all certainly interested in whether you have any evidence and why you are here at all.

Have you got anything worth posting? Have you got the decency even to reply to questions about evidence of spirits?

Please don't post any more personal snipes at me. They do you no credit

then stop sniping at her, she is not a liar, and why do you avoid to explain the chewing gum story . why does it make her look ridiculous to use a recording app within in her lap top . Tracy has no other equipment to use so why does it make her look ridiculous?

 

[Vortigern99]

I don't know if it is a matter of concern, but her full name is clearly visible in the first picture.

It's also on her website, to which she provided a link, so

 

[Vortigern99]

then stop sniping at her, she is not a liar, and why do you avoid to explain the chewing gum story . why does it make her look ridiculous to use a recording app within in her lap top . Tracy has no other equipment to use so why does it make her look ridiculous?

More handwaving subterfuge and distraction away from what matters: EVIDENCE.

 

[desertgal]

It's also on her website, to which she provided a link, so

Okay, I missed that. No worries then.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

I don't know if it is a matter of concern, but her full name is clearly visible in the first picture.

It seems very odd to me that a professional medical practitioner would write such a letter. It doesn't appear to reflect well on him. Of course, we don't know what was stricken by Tracey, or the circumstances under which he wrote it. If, for example, it was intended to imply that Tracey's claims are the result of a mental health issue, which is likely.

Although we don't know what else he wrote under the redacted portions. It might put it all into a better perspective if we could read the whole thing. It is understandable to redact private information, but it seems to be entire sentences.

 

[scrappy]

Vortigen

Finally! Objective evidence that demonstrates flaccon's name is spelled Tracey!

For the record I keep spelling the name tracy wrong , because my wife was called Tracy without an e

 

[desertgal]

Although we don't know what else he wrote under the redacted portions. It might put it all into a better perspective if we could read the whole thing. It is understandable to redact private information, but it seems to be entire sentences.

Yes, that's what I meant when I said we don't know what was stricken by Tracey. I agree with you, it appears some of the stricken content wasn't personal info, and would probably shed some light. I wonder why she chose to strike what appears to be info pertinent to her claim? Goalpost shifting, perhaps?

Guess we'll never know. Tracey/scrappy et al certainly aren't going to give us any answers.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

To clarify: I should not speak for anyone else, but it is obvious to me that the "chewing gum" reference was just a fun way of saying she covers the lens.

Iirc, she tapes a bit of cardboard over the lens "so she doesn't have to look at herself all the time". Something like that. The chewing gum bit is one the most irrelevant pieces of information to discuss on this thread. Get over it.

I am taking the liberty to assume that the bits that were whited out from the letter are the bits exposing the GP's concern for her mental health.

Scrappy:

I think we can handle talking to Tracey ourselves when she can connect again. How about speaking for yourself for a while?

 

[Donn]

then stop sniping at her, she is not a liar,

Liar is a strong word. Inaccurate is better.

(For now.)

Anything to say about the 90 minute claim that flaccon made and you supported?

and why do you avoid to explain the chewing gum story .

Whut?

why does it make her look ridiculous to use a recording app within in her lap top .

a) Where else is an app going to be? Next to the laptop?
b) Ridiculous because the app she is using is creating the bubbling noises that you both hear words into. It's silly. Stop that.

 

[Vortigern99]

For the record I keep spelling the name tracy wrong , because my wife was called Tracy without an e

You've also spelled my name wrong in the title portion of your post (unquoted above). Vortigern is a British historical figure; you might have learned about him in school.

 

[scrappy]

Ampulla of vatar

Although we don't know what else he wrote under the redacted portions. It might put it all into a better perspective if we could read the whole thing. It is understandable to redact private information, but it seems to be entire sentences.

The personal bits regarding her father and her disabilities where crossed out . This was suggested by a poster in a previous thread .

 

[Biscuit]

The letter does not prove the existents of spirits. The details of the previous in person meeting do not prove the existence of spirits. Even if everyone in flaccon's house had all heard the exact same thing it still would not prove the existence of spirits!

Claim and protocol please.

 

[tuxcat]

More handwaving subterfuge and distraction away from what matters: EVIDENCE.

I'm not even sure what the upload of the letter achieved, other than finding out her name? Oh well at least it's up and we can see what her GP wrote. When is Tracey going to start designing a protocol to test the phenomena.

ETA: And thanks to flaccon/scrappy's derailments even I can't keep track of what she's on about and what recordings she's listening to. Stop obfuscating things. I am beginning to lose my patience.

 

[pakeha]

Although we don't know what else he wrote under the redacted portions. It might put it all into a better perspective if we could read the whole thing. It is understandable to redact private information, but it seems to be entire sentences.

Yes.
The letter, as given, is a most curious document.
Why does Tracey think it's proof of anything?