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tuxcat · Jul 6, 2013

desertgal said:
No, dude, that isn't how it works. YOU made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. (Or Tracy or whatever incarnation appears next.) You attempting to shift it is a standard cop out.

You are not the evidence. Either provide some or be quiet. You are just muddying the waters.

Eventually when the eebil closed-mindeded skeptics keep asking for even a crumb of evidence, the typical woo-woo will throw a hissy fit and turn the thread into a monument to one of their tantrums because they realise that they can't and their bluff has been called.

Daylightstar · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
... Tracy has scanned the GP's letter and will upload .Even when she does upload it it will be considered a fake, that's just my thoughts .

Let's have this letter. Keep it under 250 kb when put into a pdf, and it can simply attach to a post.

scrappy · Jul 6, 2013

Letter from GP .

This x year old lady played to me various recordings she had made which she thinks may have come from the spiritual world . I cannot claim to be any expert in such matters . Some of the noises are suggestive of words that Tracey identifies as her late father . She also showed me 2 pictures in blood stains which bore a resemblance to faces, good and bad . I cannot claim to be a particular expert in all things spiritual .

She has been subjected to various hauntings over the past 20 years . Recently good spirits seem to have overcome the more negative forces and this has lead to a massive improvement in her well being . I am no expert in paranormal activity .

Signed by the GP .

tuxcat · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
Letter from GP .

This x year old lady played to me various recordings she had made which she thinks may have come from the spiritual world . I cannot claim to be any expert in such matters . Some of the noises are suggestive of words that Tracey identifies as her late father . She also showed me 2 pictures in blood stains which bore a resemblance to faces, good and bad . I cannot claim to be a particular expert in all things spiritual .

She has been subjected to various hauntings over the past 20 years . Recently good spirits seem to have overcome the more negative forces and this has lead to a massive improvement in her well being . I am no expert in paranormal activity .

Signed by the GP .

Can you upload the scanned image?

Maurice Ledifficile · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
Flaccon is back at home now and wont be wasting her time like that again . There is not one lie in her evaluation . There wasd only 90 mins notice . Nothing was set in stone for Tuesday. Her internet signal was poor, hence no connections to Skype . Tracy cancelled her scrabble evening, and sent her son home .

Alderbank still has my landline but is so far unwilling to call me . Tracy has scanned the GP's letter and will upload .Even when she does upload it it will be considered a fake, that's just my thoughts .

First of all, Flaccon is not wasting her time here. You are. How do you even know anything about what happened between Tracey, with an e, and Alderbank? You are in no position to speak for Flaccon, as you are apparently incapable of even answering simple questions. I have high doubts that you are a positive influence in Flaccon's life. A lot of us here have expressed concern over her health and happiness and we are trying to help the situation. You are not.

The evidence in this thread points toward Tracey having severe difficulty coping with the loss of her father and escaping into this imaginary reality.

If you had any concern at all for Flaccon, you would not encourage this nonsense. You would do what a friend does and try to find the right people to connect with her and help her through these tough times. She is alienating her family and the spirits are certainly not doing anything to help.

The reason some of us want to see the letter from the GP is that we want to see what his take is on her emotional state. No one said we assume it to be fake. The only thing fake here is your friendship with Tracey. For shame.

tsig · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
Flaccon is back at home now and wont be wasting her time like that again . There is not one lie in her evaluation . There wasd only 90 mins notice . Nothing was set in stone for Tuesday. Her internet signal was poor, hence no connections to Skype . Tracy cancelled her scrabble evening, and sent her son home .

Alderbank still has my landline but is so far unwilling to call me . Tracy has scanned the GP's letter and will upload .Even when she does upload it it will be considered a fake, that's just my thoughts .

Scrabble evening or save the world, hard choice indeed.

scrappy · Jul 6, 2013

Tracy has been off line for 3 weeks? it is Tracys claim not mine . My claim is that the spirits have recently entered in to my lap top since she requested a silent file .

Daylightstar · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
Letter from GP .

This x year old lady played to me various recordings she had made which she thinks may have come from the spiritual world . I cannot claim to be any expert in such matters . Some of the noises are suggestive of words that Tracey identifies as her late father . She also showed me 2 pictures in blood stains which bore a resemblance to faces, good and bad . I cannot claim to be a particular expert in all things spiritual .

She has been subjected to various hauntings over the past 20 years . Recently good spirits seem to have overcome the more negative forces and this has lead to a massive improvement in her well being . I am no expert in paranormal activity .

Signed by the GP .

No, that's not the letter. Please try to attach the scanned letter.

tsig · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
I live in notts and my laptop has altered. My lap top recordings contain one single voice . I AM the evidence .

I'd be careful around a computer in an altered state, they can turn vicious without warning.

Maurice Ledifficile · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
Letter from GP .

This x year old lady played to me various recordings she had made which she thinks may have come from the spiritual world . I cannot claim to be any expert in such matters . Some of the noises are suggestive of words that Tracey identifies as her late father . She also showed me 2 pictures in blood stains which bore a resemblance to faces, good and bad . I cannot claim to be a particular expert in all things spiritual .

She has been subjected to various hauntings over the past 20 years . Recently good spirits seem to have overcome the more negative forces and this has lead to a massive improvement in her well being . I am no expert in paranormal activity .

Signed by the GP .

I won't call it fake, but if this came from a GP, she needs to go see a different one. What is this "letter" suppose to accomplish? No one is an "expert" on paranormal activity, because there is no positive evidence after years of research.

A Doctor stating that Tracey hears voices, with no recommendations, no referral, is indeed highly suspicious. This "letter" is utter rubbish.

And why would you have a copy? What good is it to you, or anyone?

ETA: You, and your word. are not "evidence". Perhaps you should take time to learn what evidence is in the first place. If you had never told a lie in your life, your word would still not constitute evidence of a paranormal claim.

Ampulla of Vater · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
Letter from GP .

This x year old lady played to me various recordings she had made which she thinks may have come from the spiritual world . I cannot claim to be any expert in such matters . Some of the noises are suggestive of words that Tracey identifies as her late father . She also showed me 2 pictures in blood stains which bore a resemblance to faces, good and bad . I cannot claim to be a particular expert in all things spiritual .

She has been subjected to various hauntings over the past 20 years . Recently good spirits seem to have overcome the more negative forces and this has lead to a massive improvement in her well being . I am no expert in paranormal activity .

Signed by the GP .

If this is truly the verbiage of the letter, it proves nothing anyway. The tone of the letter is as if the GP is putting in writing something which she has been requested to put in writing. Nowhere does it state the GP heard anything.

Daylightstar · Jul 6, 2013

Ampulla of Vater said:
If this is truly the verbiage of the letter, it proves nothing anyway. The tone of the letter is as if the GP is putting in writing something which she has been requested to put in writing. Nowhere does it state the GP heard anything.

We don't know yet that this is the content of a letter by flaccon's GP.

AdMan · Jul 6, 2013

Maurice Ledifficile said:
scrappy said:

Letter from GP .

This x year old lady played to me various recordings she had made which she thinks may have come from the spiritual world . I cannot claim to be any expert in such matters . Some of the noises are suggestive of words that Tracey identifies as her late father . She also showed me 2 pictures in blood stains which bore a resemblance to faces, good and bad . I cannot claim to be a particular expert in all things spiritual .

She has been subjected to various hauntings over the past 20 years . Recently good spirits seem to have overcome the more negative forces and this has lead to a massive improvement in her well being . I am no expert in paranormal activity .

Signed by the GP .

Click to expand...

I won't call it fake...

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I will.

tuxcat · Jul 6, 2013

AdMan said:
I will.

Given that the scanned image has not been posted it's impossible to tell. Aspersions can be cast as to why it's not been uploaded, and questions about it's existence raised given it's absence.

desertgal · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
Letter from GP .

This x year old lady played to me various recordings she had made which she thinks may have come from the spiritual world . I cannot claim to be any expert in such matters . Some of the noises are suggestive of words that Tracey identifies as her late father . She also showed me 2 pictures in blood stains which bore a resemblance to faces, good and bad . I cannot claim to be a particular expert in all things spiritual .

She has been subjected to various hauntings over the past 20 years . Recently good spirits seem to have overcome the more negative forces and this has lead to a massive improvement in her well being . I am no expert in paranormal activity .

Signed by the GP .

Huh? You said Tracey has scanned the document and will eventually upload an image of the scan. So why are you posting the text of the letter? For that matter, how is it that you are suddenly able to post the text of the letter within just minutes of tacitly saying the letter is in her possession in order for her to have scanned it?

This "letter" is absolutely ridiculous. No legitimate MD is going to insert findings of a patient being subject to hauntings, or "good spirits" overcoming "negative forces", etc. In short, no legitimate, experienced MD would write such an incoherent, fantastical letter about a patient. This is NOT how a doctor's review of a case is done. Care to try again?

Daylightstar · Jul 6, 2013

It was also done with scrappy's idiosyncratic punctuation ....

Pixel42 · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
Trustbutverify, tracys attempts are pointless if every thing she says and trys to do is considered fake .

Most posters here do not consider anything she says or does fake, but she has yet to say or do anything which objectively demonstrates that the voices she thinks she hears in her recordings are spirit voices, and neither have you. The sort of objective evidence that would be required has been explained to her, but she says the spirits refuse to co-operate in producing it. In its continued absence the only reasonable assumption that can be made based on the evidence that has been presented is that it's all a straightforward case of pareidolia.

Donn · Jul 6, 2013

scrappy said:
There is not one lie in her evaluation . There wasd only 90 mins notice.

I say you and f are wrong. f knew that Alderbank was willing to visit from the 5th of June. At every step there was communication between them. Here's evidence:

This amounts to greater than 90 minutes notice.
Anything to say?

AdMan · Jul 6, 2013

tuxcat said:
Given that the scanned image has not been posted it's impossible to tell. Aspersions can be cast as to why it's not been uploaded, and questions about it's existence raised given it's absence.

My opinion it's not real is based on the content and the language used.

ETA: desertgal summarized it nicely:

desertgal said:
This "letter" is absolutely ridiculous. No legitimate MD is going to insert findings of a patient being subject to hauntings, or "good spirits" overcoming "negative forces", etc. In short, no legitimate, experienced MD would write such an incoherent, fantastical letter about a patient. This is NOT how a doctor's review of a case is done.

scrappy · Jul 6, 2013

Maurice, Tracy replied to you and thanked you for your concern of her mental state . The post she wrote out would not post . She is on the phone to me now, dictating these words .. Maurice, my life has been very intresting but riddled with disability for 13 years . My parents passed over 8 years ago . I recovered my grief 4 years ago, and continued with my work . My disabilities where quite severe up until contact with my father, I now have my full health back and I have a fantastic out look on life .Had this been a usual negative haunting , my life would be over . This haunting has improved my life and keeps me protected . I can not give up on such positivity . My only frustration is not being able to place this experience into safe hands .

Robin is a real friend and has not been afraid to step forward and help me . This situation is very real , and without the few close friends ,a few family members and my GP I would have no one to compere notes with .

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