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Abenomics: medicine or poison for Japan?

Medicine or poison?

  • Medicine

    Votes: 12 27.3%
  • Poison

    Votes: 3 6.8%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 18 40.9%
  • Planet X

    Votes: 11 25.0%

  • Total voters
    44
Here's the economic data that seems to be driving the latest surge:

DJ: Japan Consumer Prices Flat In May, Industrial Production Up Sharply

TOKYO--Japan's core consumer price index stayed flat in May compared with a year earlier, a sign that the government and central bank are making some progress in their drive to end 15 years of deflationary pressures.

Other data released the same day showed that the economy appears to be on a recovery track, with industrial production posting a 2.0% gain in May from the previous month while retail sales rose 0.8% from the same time last year.

The consumer price figures were in line with economists' forecasts, based on a survey by Dow Jones Newswires and the Nikkei. The reading, including energy prices but excluding fresh food, came after a 0.4% fall in April.

Politicians and central bankers blame years of deflation for Japan's lackluster growth. The Bank of Japan and the government established a 2% inflation goal in January and the BOJ rolled out a massive new monetary easing program in April to achieve the target and get the world's third-largest economy back on track for long-term growth.

Private economists and the central bank agree a rise in prices is not far off.

"Deflationary pressure appears to be broadly weakening," said Hideki Matsumura, senior economist at the Japan Research Institute, after the data was released. "The figures could turn positive from next month," he said.

BOJ Gov. Haruhiko Kuroda said in parliament earlier this month that he expected the indicator to turn positive in the data for June. That would represent the first increase since April 2012.
 
still neatly in the triangle..

Arbitrary lines drawn on a chart. It's not clear how you decided on the positioning of the top line (it could easily be steeper or less steep) and the bottom line could easily start higher or lower (it doesn't seem to correlate to the high, low or middle or any one day).

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The Nikkei is currently trading at around 13,600, I think that's above the upper triangle line, does this mean that we're now in a different shape or that the shape starts somewhere earlier or later ?


Please understand, I'm not attacking or mocking your analysis but trying to understand how you do it. It seems very important how the lines are drawn on the graph (a small difference in gradient would make a huge difference in the trading range) and where the start is made
 
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IMO Schiff has lost all credibility unless he comes out and says that he was completely wrong about 200 Yen per dollar by the end of the year and hyperinflation.

er, you know, its only June? will the BOJ expand again between now & January?

might something happen in the next six months too, as well as the first six?

if he says the end of the year, it at least has to be the end of the year before he's actually wrong, surely?
 
I suppose this could be the "head fake" Kev mentioned earlier. Looks like we'll have to wait till next week to find out though, because trading has ended today.
 
er, you know, its only June? will the BOJ expand again between now & January?

might something happen in the next six months too, as well as the first six?

if he says the end of the year, it at least has to be the end of the year before he's actually wrong, surely?

Really, the currency of a major economy halving in value against the dollar in 6 months ?

I'll revisit in 6 months.
 
Arbitrary lines drawn on a chart. It's not clear how you decided on the positioning of the top line (it could easily be steeper or less steep) and the bottom line could easily start higher or lower (it doesn't seem to correlate to the high, low or middle or any one day).

you understand the difference between the solid bar and a pin? ie that if it's a pin, the price pushed up higher during that bar, but closed back down at the top of the solid part of the bar?

in general I will draw the trendlines across the top of the bar closes, than the top of the pins, so the top trendline is taken from daily closing price.

in actuality the exact position of the lines is not important, it's only a visual representation of the market action there, with tests low being bought up, and tests high being sold off again as smart money accumulates for the next trend phase.

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The Nikkei is currently trading at around 13,600, I think that's above the upper triangle line, does this mean that we're now in a different shape or that the shape starts somewhere earlier or later ?

bar hasnt closed, if it closed as is now it's a breakout (or headfake), but until it's closed there it might well just be a pin outside of, and back inside the triangle range by the end of the day?

Please understand, I'm not attacking or mocking your analysis but trying to understand how you do it. It seems very important how the lines are drawn on the graph (a small difference in gradient would make a huge difference in the trading range) and where the start is made

no worries happy to explain, in general you want to pick best fit (most touches) at open/closing prices, ie the tops bottoms of bars excluding pins.

on my trading analysis I want the pins to run through my trendlines but the bar close on the line, this shows me the high probability manipulation areas, and where to expect it into the future.
 
I suppose this could be the "head fake" Kev mentioned earlier. Looks like we'll have to wait till next week to find out though, because trading has ended today.

I don't really understand kevsta's analysis and in particular I don't get the usefulness of it either.

W.r.t. the last graph there are two lines drawn which seemingly indicates that the Nikkei will trade in an increasingly narrow range (until it breaks out). Ignoring the fact that the analysis doesn't seem to yield important information about when it will cease trading in that increasing narrow range and in which direction it will break out, the placing of the lines seem arbitrary both in terms of start point and gradient.

In terms of where the lines intersect the graph, the start points don't seem to correspond to days' high, low, close or midpoint. Likewise, where they intersect for the second time (thus setting the gradient) seems to be arbitrary as will.

I'm not saying that this kind of analysis isn't a useful tool to be able to predict the market and make a significant profit (though I remain to be convinced and I personally wouldn't wager my own hard earned - but then again I'm too conservative with investments) but for something that should be so precise (to take advantage of small changes), the most important factors seem to have been set arbitrarily.
 
I suppose this could be the "head fake" Kev mentioned earlier. Looks like we'll have to wait till next week to find out though, because trading has ended today.

nope, futures still trading, and as we discussed last week with Mr Miller the Nikkei will open at Futures close level on Monday.

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/equity-index/international-index/nikkei-225-yen.html

currently pushing higher still, looks like a breakout north at this stage but really cant say anything until the days over, reversals are not exactly uncommon, are they?
 
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if it closed as is now it's a breakout (or headfake), but until it's closed there it might well just be a pin outside of, and back inside the triangle range by the end of the day?

So even when it finally does break out of the triangle, you still can't be sure if it's a real breakout or a headfake. IOW, anything could still happen, and there's no way to be sure which way it will go next.
 
no worries happy to explain, in general you want to pick best fit (most touches) at open/closing prices, ie the tops bottoms of bars excluding pins.

on my trading analysis I want the pins to run through my trendlines but the bar close on the line, this shows me the high probability manipulation areas, and where to expect it into the future.

Thank you.

Do you have a rule about the bottom and top lines and whether they should start on open, close high or low ?

Is it something like:

  • The lower line should begin on the closing price of the last falling day before a rising trend and then should intersect with the close/open price when you feel that the resistance level has been found following a falling trend (which you can determine a handful of days after it has been found)
  • The upper line should begin on the closing three days before the end of a falling trend and then should intersect with the close/open price at the end of the first rebound

or is it not quite as prescriptive as that ?
 
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Thank you.

Do you have a rule about the bottom and top lines and whether they should start on open, close high or low ?

Is it something like:

  • The lower line should begin on the closing price of the last falling day before a rising trend and then should intersect with the close/open price when you feel that the resistance level has been found following a falling trend (which you can determine a handful of days after it has been found)
  • The upper line should begin on the closing three days before the end of a falling trend and then should intersect with the close/open price at the end of the first rebound

or is it not quite as prescriptive as that ?

no its not as prescriptive as that. the above chart is not a good example either, only indicating very broad range, and quite often we are also tracking lines that go months or years back and make more sense when you can see all of it.

say look here, the bottom right hand side of the major long term (red) trend line runs right through about where the top orange line is on the other chart give or take a few hundred points. the futures chart with the orange lines represents the last 3 candles on this chart.

currently, that is where the overhead (imaginary ;) ) resistance lies, as so far we have only run massive stop-gathering pins through it, and closed back below again.

with another sustained breakout upwards through it, this could very well be the turning of the secular bear. or a firm rejection and sustained action below this point (firmly below the 78.6 fib line from the top) would not look good moving forwards, more new lows still likely.

Time and the success of Abenomics or not will tell.
 
say look here, the bottom right hand side of the major long term (red) trend line runs right through about where the top orange line is on the other chart give or take a few hundred points. the futures chart with the orange lines represents the last 3 candles on this chart.

I guess this is where I get confused. In this example, there is a period where the Nikkei and the gold spot in yen seemed to be tightly correlated (2004-2008) but not elsewhere (and indeed in other time periods there is an inverse correlation). This is highlighted (and so presumably the person carrying out the analysis thought it was significant) but there's no indication whether this is coincidental or part of the underlying thesis.

In terms of the red line, the clear implication is that the Nikkei is trending towards zero. To me it doesn't seem like a straight line is the best fit to the peaks, more like a curve which should now be at 18,000 or thereabouts. I suppose for me the key would be whether the line has predictive power. The clear implication from this is that the market should retreat to under 7,000 in the next few months (unless the bull market is more like 93/94 and 06-07-08 where there are two distinct rise phases in which case the drop is maybe 18 months away).

Look, as long as you're making pots of money using these techniques then clearly they work. I won't be using them mostly because I'm passive so maybe I just shouldn't worry about it :D
 
I guess this is where I get confused. In this example, there is a period where the Nikkei and the gold spot in yen seemed to be tightly correlated (2004-2008) but not elsewhere (and indeed in other time periods there is an inverse correlation). This is highlighted (and so presumably the person carrying out the analysis thought it was significant) but there's no indication whether this is coincidental or part of the underlying thesis.

the person carrying out the analysis was me, here

In terms of the red line, the clear implication is that the Nikkei is trending towards zero.

well yes, but unless they disappear into an insolvency debt deflation black hole, that's clearly not going to happen without a massive Printing Gunfight at Deflation Coral, is it?

a more likely extreme outcome than that, is first a deflation panic, further renewed printing and a surge into Yen 200 Hyperinflation territory.

or Abenomics could work, and the Nikkei could just rally steadily and gently and the world will all be happy ever after. fingers crossed.

To me it doesn't seem like a straight line is the best fit to the peaks, more like a curve which should now be at 18,000 or thereabouts. I suppose for me the key would be whether the line has predictive power.

some people use Fib curves too, analysis is very much a matter of preference and experience, ie how many times you've seen it play out before gives you a feel for where you like your lines.

The clear implication from this is that the market should retreat to under 7,000 in the next few months (unless the bull market is more like 93/94 and 06-07-08 where there are two distinct rise phases in which case the drop is maybe 18 months away).

only if you believe Japan is doomed? if Abenomics is the turning point, then the the bottom is now in and this time is different? without utter destruction the odds are very good it will eventually turn somewhere?

Look, as long as you're making pots of money using these techniques then clearly they work. I won't be using them mostly because I'm passive so maybe I just shouldn't worry about it :D

lulz, no, this is just standard tech analysis being explained as I understand it, and with a little SM manipulation principles thrown in occasionally wherever I can add to the more usual tech stuff with more specific trading principles (theories to be precise)

you'll notice I'm non-commital as to the eventual direction, because as I told you I'm trading manipulation at hourly or 15min levels in general, and I might get 10 or 12 separate shorts in the course of one monthly red downbar here.

and as I've clearly proved with gold that I don't know the next intermediate trend, so I'm staying off big predictions now, but just trying to showing the big picture as seen by trader world in general.

and yes maybe you should just not worry about it. :)

but the fact is that the Nikkei has been in a very long bear market, and it needs to clear that red line convincingly and break out north to reverse that, and the first attempt was a definite fail thus far.

statistically after a large pin at the top (or bottom) its quite rare to then see price go higher, (or lower) more usually, long pins (at the end of a decent run in either direction) are an intermediate turning point on whatever timescale you're looking at from monthly down to 15 minutes.
 
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So even when it finally does break out of the triangle, you still can't be sure if it's a real breakout or a headfake. IOW, anything could still happen, and there's no way to be sure which way it will go next.

:D irritatingly, yes, thats more or less it. otherwise trading would be really easy.

refer back to gold 2 weeks ago I was originally watching the first triangle (orange circle middle page) which resolved with a headfake higher, before resuming back to the downtrend line and into the bigger triangle below (second circle)

note the big final pin bar at the top of the first headfake before the reversal just slightly took out the previous highs around May 28?

the reason for this is that lots of retail traders place buy orders just at and around (a few pips above is very common) previous highs looking for breakouts upwards, and also, anyone shorting from that triangle will have their stoploss in that area (above previous highs) and remember, if I short something, Im selling something I don't have, so to close the trade I have to buy it back, hence stoplosses from shorts are buy orders too

and if price is headed down, smart money wants to sell to as many of these as possible, before that happens.

then a little while later, it happens.
 
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The Nikkei is currently trading at 13,850 or thereabouts.....

Is that inside or outside the triangle (I think it is outside ) ?

I guess the question is whether it's part of a bold movement upwards, a "headfake" or something else.
 
A thought occurred to me:

If they want inflation, maybe they should raise the minimum wage, at least a little bit.
 

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