Does God ever fail to keep his promises?

[yomero]

Back in the 7th. century, Muslim heroes were promised 72 virgins. That was 14 centuries ago; The demand for virgins has been intense since, so naturally the supply has dwindled. After doing some numerology careful mathematical calculations, I have discovered that the number of virgins that people like Mike will get in heaven is now down to 1. Here is the evidence:

The word virgins has 7 letters (odd), and the word promised has 8 (even). The difference is 1. QED.

Notice that the name Mikeb768 has 5 letters and 3 numbers (odd in both cases). Notice too that there are 6 letters (even) in Mother and 6 again (even) in Teresa, for a total of 12.. We can then conclude with confidence that in the Afterlife Mike shall be rewarded with one virgin: Mother Teresa. For eternity!

 

[MikeG]

What evidence is there for the others?

You ask this without the slightest sense of irony?

 

[Frozenwolf150]

Notice that the name Mikeb768 has 5 letters and 3 numbers (odd in both cases). Notice too that there are 6 letters (even) in Mother and 6 again (even) in Teresa, for a total of 12.. We can then conclude with confidence that in the Afterlife Mike shall be rewarded with one virgin: Mother Teresa. For eternity!

Oh, I don't know if she could be considered a virgin, considering the number of people she screwed in her lifetime.


(Edited my poem BTW.)

 

[The Norseman]

No two Numerologists produce the same results? What are you talking about? I never claimed to be a "Numerologists", and no Numerologists is here claiming to have reproduced these same results.

Now is it possible for someone to count and add numbers in the same manner as I have done, sure it is I actually invited people to do this in my OP. If the results are different then lets find out why, so that we can rule out any mistakes and get closer to the truth.

Can you clarify your post because as it stands it makes no sense and does nothing to add to the discussion. Who is claiming to have done the same thing which I have shown but which produces different results?

What evidence is there for the others?

Told you already: epix has solid evidence that his God and bible are correct. His numbers don't lie.

 

[MikeG]

..........Now is it possible for someone to count and add numbers in the same manner as I have done, sure it is I actually invited people to do this in my OP. If the results are different then lets find out why, so that we can rule out any mistakes and get closer to the truth.

My highlight is where you are going wrong.

I've always wondered why the weirdness of numerology only adds and subtracts. Could you answer that for me? I mean, we have lots of other mathematical signs, and the ones you guys always arbitrarily choose to use are only ever plus, minus and equals. Why on earth not extract the cube root, or divide, or raise to the power of, or whatever?

And you do know that 1400 years ago much maths was done to base 12, don't you, not to base 10. Does that mean that this mohammed chap had enough foresight to embed the maths code in his works in such a way that it only made sense in 1.4 millennia?

So, if you could do your nonsense all over again, using division and multiplication, and working to base 12, and still prove that some notional answer equals god.......then I'll laugh out loud rather than just up my sleeve.

 

[mikeb768]

My highlight is where you are going wrong.

I've always wondered why the weirdness of numerology only adds and subtracts. Could you answer that for me? I mean, we have lots of other mathematical signs, and the ones you guys always arbitrarily choose to use are only ever plus, minus and equals. Why on earth not extract the cube root, or divide, or raise to the power of, or whatever?

And you do know that 1400 years ago much maths was done to base 12, don't you, not to base 10. Does that mean that this mohammed chap had enough foresight to embed the maths code in his works in such a way that it only made sense in 1.4 millennia?

So, if you could do your nonsense all over again, using division and multiplication, and working to base 12, and still prove that some notional answer equals god.......then I'll laugh out loud rather than just up my sleeve.

Sounds great, why don't you go ahead with that, and then show us your work as I have done and we can compare the two. Also do have any evidence to support your claim of people using a base 12 approach? Such as who exactly you are speaking of and when it was taking place.

Who said that adding and subtracting was the only method? In the case of the number 19 [Quran 74:30], multiplication and division are required.

 

[Kid Eager]

Sounds great, why don't you go ahead with that, and then show us your work as I have done and we can compare the two. Also do have any evidence to support your claim of people using a base 12 approach? Such as who exactly you are speaking of and when it was taking place.

Who said that adding and subtracting was the only method? In the case of the number 19 [Quran 74:30], multiplication and division are required.

Let me get this right. You're manipulating the set of operations you perform on selected verses, to arrive at a result that aligns with your expectations?

 

[Craig B]

Sounds great, why don't you go ahead with that, and then show us your work as I have done and we can compare the two. Also do have any evidence to support your claim of people using a base 12 approach? Such as who exactly you are speaking of and when it was taking place.

Who said that adding and subtracting was the only method? In the case of the number 19 [Quran 74:30], multiplication and division are required.

Multiplication and division, eh?

Over it are nineteen [angels].

Where is the requirement to multiply or divide these [angels]?

 

[bruto]

Last night I was all set to write a response to the OP's contention that those who disagree with him are ignorant, lazy and stupid. Somehow or other it didn't seem worth the effort. The possibility exists that someone here is ignorant, lazy and stupid. Either way it's clearly hopeless, and I've got stuff to do. Good luck.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Do you have any examples of this as it would be nice to compare another piece of work or a book where the author has managed to produce similar results?

I can't find them at the moment, but there have been all kinds of things done to demonstrate that numerology is bunk by, for example, showing how it works for War And Peace or Harry Potter. Pick a text and you can make it fit, if you want.

 

[Craig B]

I can't find them at the moment, but there have been all kinds of things done to demonstrate that numerology is bunk by, for example, showing how it works for War And Peace or Harry Potter. Pick a text and you can make it fit, if you want.

We mustn't forget the recent "Bible codes" flap, which was a similar phenomenon.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Yes you may have, and you thought wrong. Just to bring you up to speed, God did not write the Bible. Also if you read my previous post you can see that I never made such a claim.

And god didn't write the Qur'an, either, seeing as how there are differing versions of it and the history of its development is not as simple and straightforward as you would have us believe (Link). Ironic because, just as there are different versions of the Bible, and many Christians tend to ignore the origins of their own holy book. Yet here you sit and throw stones at the Bible, while some Christians do the same thing with the Qur'an; you each use the same arguments against the other religion, while ignoring the same glaring flaws within your own religion.

 

[MattusMaximus]

What evidence is there for the others?

Well, as one example, the pasta I ate last night is clearly evidence for the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

RA-men!!!

 

[SonOfLaertes]

http://quranspotlight.wordpress.com/articles/quran-odd-even-debunked/

Not really a very remarkable coincidence. Not a coincidence at all, if you consider that the arrangement of the verses was not divinely inspired.

reply to rebuttal attempt from commenter juju
(mtaverille | June 17, 2012 at 12:38 am)

Judging by your first comment, you also seem to have missed that the division into 6236 verses was not “revealed” to Muhammad, but rather was decided by a group of people decades later, and was one of many systems that were used (6000, 6204 etc.), but the 6236 divisions of Kufah became the most popular.

 

[SonOfLaertes]

http://www.islam-info.ch/en/Arrangement_of_the_Quran.htm

Mikeb768, the truth is that even Islamic sources admit that the arrangement of the Quran was mundane (a product of human hands). A smart Prophet would make sure that his preferred arrangement matched prophecy. After all, one would not need a computer (or even an abacus) to arrange the verses conveniently.

The fact that your Prophet had the opportunity (and the motive) to manipulate the arrangement of the verses pulls the teeth out of any argument for a miracle you might have. You have faith that the arrangement was not a premeditated effort on the part of your prophet, fine. Good luck with a faith which needs to stop short of further investigation so it can proclaim "miracle!".

From the link:

There was an arrangement followed by the Holy Prophet and we know that many Companions of the Holy Prophet committed the Holy Qur’ân to memory and could recite it in the recognized order as followed by the Prophet. This shows that there was a connection of its verses and chapters, and there was a recognized division of the Book and a fixed form and sequence. The chapters were distinctly marked out and their number was determined. Without a known order and sequence of verses, the Qur’ân could not have been committed to memory.

 

[A'isha]

Mikeb768, the truth is that even Islamic sources admit that the arrangement of the Quran was mundane (a product of human hands). A smart Prophet would make sure that his preferred arrangement matched prophecy. After all, one would not need a computer (or even an abacus) to arrange the verses conveniently.

Some of the differing verse counts, per the different schools of enumeration of the Qur'an as described by Hasanuddin Ahmed, are as follows:

Kufa - 6236 ayat. This is currently the most common, and the one the OP is using. It includes the basmalah at the beginning of the first sura, but none of the other instances of the basmalah in the Qur'an (with those included, the ayat count is 6348).

Basrah - 6216 ayat.

Sham - 6250 ayat.

Mecca - 6212 ayat.

Medina - 6214 ayat.

This is not an exhaustive list, however, and there are other counts (6000, 6204, 6219).

EDIT: According to M. R. Bawa Muhaiyaddeen, in addition to the counts above, there is also the count of Ibn Mas'ud (6218 ayat).

 

[Langis]

God said he'd money match me at Evo. Then he backed out. Scumbag God.

 

[MikeG]

Sounds great, why don't you go ahead with that, and then show us your work as I have done and we can compare the two. .......

Well, no, actually. I won't go ahead with it because it is an entirely meaningless exercise. It is futile. Even if, somehow, I contrived to find a way of making some sort of mathematical pattern out of the numbers you have given us, why the hell does that mean god did it?

Are you epix reincarnated?

Mike

 

[Apology]

Once I was having a very civilized debate with a strong Christian believer, and I asked him as respectfully as possible what he thought about the latest Jesus-in-a-tortilla flap, or Virgin-Mary-in-a-dirty window, or whatever the latest paredolia phenomenon being reported on the news. He said to me:

Do you really think that if God wanted to perform a miracle in order to reveal himself to the world, he'd choose to use a cheap parlor trick that a large number of people wouldn't believe? Or do you think that God would prefer to do something truly amazing that was obviously a miracle?

I suggest that hidden numerology codes are just as gimmicky and obscure as Jesus on toast. I didn't agree with this man about much, but I had to agree that it was hard to imagine that God would reveal itself by playing arcane mind games with us.

Coincidentally, that's also a good justification for discounting all religious texts of the world. If God wanted to reveal itself, why would it provide us with books and literature that left so much to interpretation and required us to pick and choose between passages in order to make sense of God's proclamation? One would think that God would want its laws and its intentions to be completely clear, and it would be well aware that humans aren't that smart.

 

[poblob14]

Yes I am guilty of adding numbers. But even when I remove the formulas from the spreadsheet and just write these same numbers on a sheet of paper you still accuse me of Witchcraft/Numerology!

Well if 1+1=2, (thus creating an even number) then I am guilty!
and if 1+2=3, (thus creating an odd number) then I am also guilty!

I imagine the trials in Salem were not so different.

Mike, when you're just being weird it's easy to sit back and be amused by your posts. But this comment . . . listen:

I've had occasion in recent weeks to do some research into the Salem witch trials.

Several women were examined, and found to have witches' teats - essentially, extra nipples on their perinea - their "taints", if you will. At the order of the court, they were re-examined and found to have no such thing.

This was considered by the court to be evidence that they WERE witches - after all, they had made the nipples disappear.

These women were hanged. A court of law ordered them killed, because the evidence against them didn't exist.

One man was pressed to death. Know what that is? They laid him down, put a board on his chest, and piled rocks on it. Until he died.

His crime?

He refused to plead either guilty or not guilty to the witchcraft charge, knowing his property would be forfeit and his descendants would starve if he did either. He is reported to have said, "More weight."

Dogs were hanged, because they were in league with Satan.

So many people died or were incarcerated that fields lay fallow and farm animals roamed the streets in search of food.

You want to explain to me, real slow so I can understand it, how any of the commentary you've received here about your silly-ass odd and even numbers bears even the slightest relation to these people dying? You know, actually not living any more? Has that happened to you? Have you been thrown in jail and held there for months, not because of any legal process, but because they want you to deliver your baby before you're hanged?

Mike, shut up about your "persecution", okay?