Proof of Life After Death!!

Actually university documents could prove me and killer studied in the very same town at the same time. As for the actor...long story. He was never really a fan of me either. He clearly has good intuition as well. He served me sometimes at the coffee shop. Here follows articles about the mythical Jacob, whose full name is Jacobus Eksteen. Have FUN reading about this figment of my fertile imagination. Actually the first article shows him as I remember him, he clearly liked wearing beanies! Not as pale as I remember him, but it is the very same Jacob. If anyone in connection with the case is offended by these articles they will swiftly be removed from this post. If anyone from my country or town is offended by these links they will be removed promptly.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Matie-murder-suspect-injured-20090604
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/mental-disorders-drove-erin-s-killer-1.1249948
http://www.questia.com/library/1G1-222015526/murder-accused-suffers-from-several-mental-disorders
http://southafricanews.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/student-in-pollsmoor-for-a-year-awaiting-trial/

No one here claimed the case was imaginary. Without evidence, no one believes you predicted his crime. Why should they?

So a criminal came from your town. So you knew of an actor before he was famous. What is your point?
 
Actually, the post was directed at people who claimed this saga is "a classic" and that they were "played" and that it was worthy of popcorn. It's not the movies...this is real life tragic stuff.
 
Actually, the post was directed at people who claimed this saga is "a classic" and that they were "played" and that it was worthy of popcorn. It's not the movies...this is real life tragic stuff.

Your claim of psychic ability is classic for this forum. We've seen it hundreds of time. All words, no evidence to back the words up. So, we might as well bring out the popcorn, because this will follow the same pattern as innumerable other such claims.

No one said the case was imaginary, even though your claim of psychic ability might very well be.
 
Actually, the post was directed at people who claimed this saga is "a classic" and that they were "played" and that it was worthy of popcorn. It's not the movies...this is real life tragic stuff.


It is the overall story-line that is classic. You may have your own details to flavor it, but it still boils down to someone (you in this case) telling us how much success they have had predicting the past.

Unambiguously predicting the future, on the other hand, would be novel tale indeed. Will you be stepping away from the classic towards the novel?
 
Do you know what the definition of a classic is? Doesn't seem like it. A classic is something better than the rest. Anyway I can't hang around here all night long. You're very chatty tonight, though Desertgal. ( you realize it is nighttime where I live? )
 
Do you know what the definition of a classic is? Doesn't seem like it. A classic is something better than the rest. Anyway I can't hang around here all night long. You're very chatty tonight, though Desertgal. ( you realize it is nighttime where I live? )

Yes, that would be one meaning of the word. Perhaps there are others that would be more applicable, though. Let's see, there is traditional and enduring and also historically memorable. Close. Oh, what: Typical, as in classic error. I'll go with that.
 
Do you know what the definition of a classic is? Doesn't seem like it. A classic is something better than the rest.

That's one of the definitions, true. Doesn't seem like you know there is more than one definition.

Anyway I can't hang around here all night long.

Who asked you to? It's a message forum, not a live conversation. You can post at your convenience.

You're very chatty tonight, though Desertgal.

:confused:

( you realize it is nighttime where I live? )

So?
 
Actually, the post was directed at people who claimed this saga is "a classic" and that they were "played" and that it was worthy of popcorn. It's not the movies...this is real life tragic stuff.

Didn't spend none of your wealth on book-learning? Even us po folk know that "classic" has several meanings, not the least of which is "old and beloved", like a '57 Chevy Bel Air. It's something that you've seen so often that it becomes a bit of a cultural icon whether it was actually great or even good to begin with.

Yours is a classic blatherer's I'm A Psychic And Here's Proof routine. You tell a good story, present an interesting personality and expect people to combine the two and say, "Gosh! Must be a real psychic!"

It doesn't matter that you once saw a killer or that an actor passed through your town. It matters whether you could actually prove to us, in a verifiable experiment, that you could do this. (Since there's no way you can prove the instances in the past - they're just anecdotes.)

Oh, and I'm a triple Virgo. As Linda would tell you (maybe John Edwards could ask for us) that means I need to see evidence.:p
 
Money doesn't exist without belief; does that make it inherently subjective?
Depends on how you define money, but tentatively yes. Gold coins aren't subjective, but their value is.
Moreover, whether someone can communicate with the dead is not a subjective issues. Whatever we believe about JE, either he can do it or he can't do it.
Out of curiosity, what sort of test would you use to prove that he can do it?
 
Depends on how you define money, but tentatively yes. Gold coins aren't subjective, but their value is.
Out of curiosity, what sort of test would you use to prove that he can do it?


Ooh! Ooh! I know! Have him channel Jimmy Hoffa to tell us where he's buried!

Who killed those 3 boys in West Memphis, AR in 1993?

Did I win?
 
WWWHHHHEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee........

What was Jack The Rippers name?

Who shot Kennedy?

What are next Friday's winning Lotto numbers?

Oh boy, all our questions are going to get answered!
 
Depends on how you define money, but tentatively yes. Gold coins aren't subjective, but their value is.
Out of curiosity, what sort of test would you use to prove that he can do it?
He would have to provide information that could only have come from a dead person. Trouble is I don’t think such absolute information exists. The proof couldn’t be any information known by the person having the reading because JE could be a mind reader and not a psychic. It’s a bit like a god trying to prove it’s not an advanced alien from another planet. Given how virtually impossible, it would be to prove that people could talk to dead people, highlights how pathetic it is that some people accept mundane things like recent purchases as absolute proof.
 
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Like all psychics, I started early. When I was 10, I predicted that someone would become a real estate agent by the strong interest she had in the housing market while purchasing her home and the skill she displayed in negotiating the price. (I could even link to her professional page if you're dubious.)

MDC, here I come.
 
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Didn't spend none of your wealth on book-learning? Even us po folk know that "classic" has several meanings, not the least of which is "old and beloved", like a '57 Chevy Bel Air. It's something that you've seen so often that it becomes a bit of a cultural icon whether it was actually great or even good to begin with.

Yours is a classic blatherer's I'm A Psychic And Here's Proof routine. You tell a good story, present an interesting personality and expect people to combine the two and say, "Gosh! Must be a real psychic!"

It doesn't matter that you once saw a killer or that an actor passed through your town. It matters whether you could actually prove to us, in a verifiable experiment, that you could do this. (Since there's no way you can prove the instances in the past - they're just anecdotes.)

Oh, and I'm a triple Virgo. As Linda would tell you (maybe John Edwards could ask for us) that means I need to see evidence.:p

You are lucky to have so much earth in your chart. I consider myself to be astrologically challenged as I have very little earth in my chart, almost none really. Virgos tend to be shrewd, and keen observers of people, not to mention the fact that they are usually good at making money. I myself am bad with money, I mean I preserve the money I have, but it's not like I am turning it into heaps more. I just don't have a talent for that. I am not really overly interested in the physical though.
 
Like all psychics, I started early. When I was 10, I predicted that someone would become a real estate agent by the strong interest she had in the housing market while purchasing her home and the skill she displayed in negotiating the price. (I could even link to her professional page if you're dubious.)

MDC, here I come.

That's a totally different situation from the ones I mentioned. Firstly the people I encountered became "famous" or "well-known" in a sense. Secondly just through observing them / being near them I could come to conclusions about future events that would affect them significantly.
 
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Out of curiosity, what sort of test would you use to prove that he can do it?
The kind of test JREF does, i.e. a blind test. Edward would sit with a series of subjects with a screen between them and without questioning them (to prevent cold reading) and write down the messages the dead give him for them. Each subject would then be given copies of all the readings and asked to pick the one they think is theirs. If he can consistently produce readings which their subjects can identify more often than would be expected by chance he would have proved he has some kind of paranormal ability. Once that had been established, the source of that paranormal ability would then need to identified, perhaps by asking for information only known to the dead, as suggested above. But there's no point bothering with that until the usual biases and tricks have been eliminated.
 
That's a totally different situation from the ones I mentioned. Firstly the people I encountered became "famous" or "well-known" in a sense. Secondly just through observing them / being near them I could come to conclusions about future events that would affect them significantly.
It's possible to make a few perceptive or lucky guesses about people without being psychic. In fact, it's expected. So even if your anecdotes are true they are not evidence of any paranormal ability. You would need to demonstrate that you can make such predictions about people more often than would be expected by chance and intelligent guesswork before any claim of psychic ability would be taken seriously.
 
Virgos tend to be shrewd, and keen observers of people, not to mention the fact that they are usually good at making money.

OMG!! That's me! Really. Fits me to a tee. Oh, except about the making money part. But the other part really really is. Where can I buy a good book on astorology? I believe! (I mean, it's not like you identified my new refrigerator, but stil... I'm sold!)
 
I don't recall anyone here ever suggesting otherwise, so I don't know who you think you're arguing with.

It's the right of woo peddlers to make unsubstantiated claims for the services and products they sell that tends to be questioned here.

Yes. And as far as smoking and gambling. You buy cigarettes, you expect to be getting something to smoke. You pay to gamble, you gamble. You buy a designer handbag, you expect to be getting a designer handbag, not a cheap knockoff. If you pay for a psychic reading, you expect to be getting a psychic reading. All of these things are legal.

No one pays for a psychic reading expecting to be conned, any more than they buy cigarettes expecting to find an empty pack of nothing. Even if they buy a psychic reading against their own better judgment, they still do so in the hope that the psychic can actually do what the psychic claims to be able to do.

I feel outraged when anyone is victimized by a con artist, or cheated.

Personal feelings about the wisdom of purchasing designer handbags, or cigarettes, or psychic readings, are totally irrelevant.
 

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