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How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

Mojo said:
And if they wanted to spirit him away, they would probably want him to stay in the UK, given that...




And, to get back to reality, given the nature of the UK/US extradition treaty.
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As far as I know, the US is not nor ever has sought the extradition of Assange.

What we have then, it would appear, is an Australian who is alleged to have committed a crime in Sweden, who did a runner to the UK, and sought political asylum in the embassy of Ecuador for fear of the US which is not even seeking him.
 
abaddon said:
As far as I know, the US is not nor ever has sought the extradition of Assange.

What we have then, it would appear, is an Australian who is alleged to have committed a crime in Sweden, who did a runner to the UK, and sought political asylum in the embassy of Ecuador for fear of the US which is not even seeking him.
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Your faith in what the US Government tells you is spectacular..
Noted that Assange will not leave the embassy even if charges are dropped!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jun/18/julian-assange-will-not-leave-embassy

Why is that ?
 
Watanabe said:
You guys just do not want to be convinced, no matter what.
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You can test this.

Claim: "you guys just do not want to be convinced, no matter what.
Prediction: if convincing evidence is presented, the "guys" will not be convinced.
Test: present convincing evidence and see if the "guys" are convinced.

Provide some convincing evidence, rather than just claiming that your belief is "obvious", and see if you get a different response.
 
Watanabe said:
Look.. I got fed up of the whole story.
You guys just do not want to be convinced, no matter what. Fine for me.
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Incorrect. We're just not going to be convinced by you, as we demand evidence and you have none.
 
Mojo said:
You can test this.

Claim: "you guys just do not want to be convinced, no matter what.
Prediction: if convincing evidence is presented, the "guys" will not be convinced.
Test: present convincing evidence and see if the "guys" are convinced.

Provide some convincing evidence, rather than just claiming that your belief is "obvious", and see if you get a different response.
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Evidence provided, and soon someone discards it as it does not fit in his head frame.
What a surprise!

abaddon said:
The infamous Grauniad? Please. They can't even report their own name without a typo.
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Mojo said:
What evidence do you have that his belief is well-founded?
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We are getting off-topic and soon the Masters will come here to clean some posts.
Better not to get caught in the middle.

As I said, evidence has been provided and you discarded as you want to believe anyways
Even the Guardian not is made fun of.

I really can` t stop you from believing what the Jackals tell you.
Want to believe them?

Be my guest.
 
Watanabe said:
I really can` t stop you from believing what the Jackals tell you.
Want to believe them?

Be my guest.
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Yes you can. You can provide some evidence.

By the way, you're still implying that people here are gullible. It's particularly ironic that you're accusing them of being gullible because they won't believe your unsupported assertions.
 
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Watanabe said:
We are getting off-topic and soon the Masters will come here to clean some posts.
Better not to get caught in the middle.
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Does this attempt to change the subject from the one you brought up only a few posts ago (indeed, in the very post I was replying to) mean that you don't have any evidence that his belief is well-founded?
 
Mojo said:
Yes you can. You can provide some evidence.

By the way, you're still implying that people here are gullible. It's particularly ironic that you're accusing them of being gullible because they won't believe your unsupported assretions.
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Possibly the funniest typo ever.
 
Watanabe said:
Evidence provided, and soon someone discards it as it does not fit in his head frame.
What a surprise!
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You have presented no evidence that the charges against Assange is politically motivated.
You have presented no charges that the US will ask Assange to be extradited for from Sweden to the US.
You have presented any evidence that the possible trial of Assange would be biased or unfair.

I wonder what evidence you think you have presented.
 
Watanabe said:
Your faith in what the US Government tells you is spectacular..
Noted that Assange will not leave the embassy even if charges are dropped!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jun/18/julian-assange-will-not-leave-embassy

Why is that ?
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Because he feels that he might be possibly charged with an offence in the US an that there might be an extradition request made to Whereever he's resident to bring him to the US to answer for whatever he might be indicted for.

So, he's essentially asking for a lifetime by on having to answer the Swedish offence because he thinks the US might be out to get him.
 
Watanabe said:
Klimax said:
Watanabe, did you miss?
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I miss the time I have lost talking to you guys.. :D

Please feel free to believe what you like: Assange is a criminal, there are WMDs in Iraq, .. go ahead, I wont stop you :D
(just in case, if you need a bridge..)
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Well, it's your problem that you have failed to provide evidence. How about returning me time for your failure.

Assertions are worthless. You're opinion is worthless. Your posts are garbage so far. Evasion is worthless. (noted)

Where's your evidence.
 
Watanabe said:
I believe that I should be think critically and use my own head instead of believing all the lies that my government tells me..
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Except you don't seem to understand what thinking critically means.

It's not just doubting something. It's forming opinions based on solid evidence and being willing to reconsider those opinions based on new evidence.

Assuming something is true (Sweden's prosecution of Assange is politically motivated) just because you imagine it could be true is not critical thinking. Critical thinking is in considering the possibility, looking for evidence for or against it before forming a conclusion.
 
Dancing David said:
You have presented no evidence that the charges against Assange is politically motivated.
You have presented no charges that the US will ask Assange to be extradited for from Sweden to the US.
You have presented any evidence that the possible trial of Assange would be biased or unfair.

I wonder what evidence you think you have presented.
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I think he believes that his imagining that it could be politically motivated is itself evidence that it is.
 
Watanabe said:
If they went after Bush, it would mean that they are a decent Government and they their system can be trusted
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A decent government in Watanabe's opinion.
Trusted by Watanabe.

Do keep that in mind.

Watanabe said:
If a war which caused 200000+ deaths and its lack of condemnation is "groundless speculation" for you, be my guest.
I will not try to convince you otherwise
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Awesome. We've already gone over why a death toll is not in and of itself a reason to condemn something.

Watanabe said:
Note
Was it "groundless speculation" that the US Government lied on the relevant quantities of WMDs in Iraq?
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Using the word "lie" is an accusation. Do you have evidence for this accusation? Do you think Sweden is in possession of such evidence?

Watanabe said:
Was it "groundless speculation" what the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 told us?
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In large part. The movie ultimately presented only a political opinion.

Watanabe said:
And why Sweden, like any other country, said almost nothing about it?
Is it speculation as well?
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It is possible, even probably in my opinion, that Sweden was wrong and hated the war. But they understood the futility in advancing such an opinion and thus decided to not do so.

Watanabe said:
Your faith in what the US Government tells you is spectacular..
Noted that Assange will not leave the embassy even if charges are dropped!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jun/18/julian-assange-will-not-leave-embassy

Why is that ?
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My guess is that he is paranoid in addition to being a sexual creep.

Noztradamus said:
Granite is an igneous rock.


Can we talk about rocks. (Please)
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One of the worlds largest granite batholiths lays under the Sierra Nevada mountains.
 
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Mycroft said:
Except you don't seem to understand what thinking critically means.

It's not just doubting something. It's forming opinions based on solid evidence and being willing to reconsider those opinions based on new evidence.

Assuming something is true (Sweden's prosecution of Assange is politically motivated) just because you imagine it could be true is not critical thinking. Critical thinking is in considering the possibility, looking for evidence for or against it before forming a conclusion.
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QFE
 
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