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How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

Wudang said:
I don't usually criticize people whose second language is English for failure to understand the language. But when one tries to tell well-educated native speakers what English words mean then I will treat their arrogance with the contempt it deserves. Especially one who has repeatedly demonstrated his lack of understanding of terms like "strawman" and "troll" even when the mistake has repeatedly been pointed out.
For something to be an "obvious suspicion" I would expect to see something more tangible than groundless speculation. You have admitted you have no grounds so you do not have an "obvious suspicion" you merely have a "hunch", at best.
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If a war which caused 200000+ deaths and its lack of condemnation is "groundless speculation" for you, be my guest.
I will not try to convince you otherwise

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Go tell about your "groundless speculation" to the 200000+ victims and orphans, though

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Was it "groundless speculation" that the US Government lied on the relevant quantities of WMDs in Iraq?
Was it "groundless speculation" what the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 told us?

And why Sweden, like any other country, said almost nothing about it?
Is it speculation as well?
 
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Watanabe said:
If a war which caused 200000+ deaths and its lack of condemnation is "groundless speculation" for you, be my guest.
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It is when you have failed to provide any evidence that the one has anything to do with the other. That is textbook "groundless speculation".

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Was it "groundless speculation" that the US Government lied on the relevant quantities of WMDs in Iraq?
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No, I believe both US and UK govts lied and that it has been shown to be so but tying this to Assange's case is groundless speculation
Was it "groundless speculation" what the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 told us?
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A good expose of a failed presidency IMO but tying the movie to Assange's case is groundless speculation
And why Sweden, like any other country, said almost nothing about it?
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But they were one of the few nations with the class to criticize it at all
Is it speculation as well?
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Tying it to the Assange case is groundless speculation
 
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Watanabe said:
Note
Was it "groundless speculation" that the US Government lied on the relevant quantities of WMDs in Iraq?
Was it "groundless speculation" what the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 told us?

And why Sweden, like any other country, said almost nothing about it?
Is it speculation as well?
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No, it is groundless speculation to assert that the Iraq war, or the Swedish government's failure to comment on movies, has any bearing on the prosecution, because you have failed to provide any evidence linking them.
 
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Watanabe said:
Was it "groundless speculation" what the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 told us?

And why Sweden, like any other country, said almost nothing about it?
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They haven't said much about Star Wars, The Big Lebowski, or The Maltese Falcon either. What on earth does the Swedish government spend all its time doing?
 
Watanabe said:
Klimax said:
Detainees in Guantanamo aren't criminals, they were caught as illegal enemy combatants in Afghanistan and Iraq where combat operations were conducted and they were members of designated terrorist organizations. They are treated under different international and USA laws.

No such thing for Sweden or Ecuador. No such thing for Assange. (He is not designated terrorist nor member of such organization)

So far La-la is your shouting to keep you invalid ideas from being destroyed by not listening us...

ETA: I see you intentionally missed rest of my post. Why was that?
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Of course you can find a legal excuse for everything, even for keeping hundreds of people in jail for years without a due process.

I am sure the American people are unsophisticated enough to believe what their Government tell them as true no matter what.
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Combatants are not criminals. They are goverened by clear international law and its breakage is prosecuted by Hague.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice (Yugoslavia, Nuremburg trial,... http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1=3&p2=2)

As for that second assertion, I'm sure Japanese have a lot of experience with just following government, don't they...
 
Watanabe said:
If a war which caused 200000+ deaths and its lack of condemnation is "groundless speculation" for you, be my guest.
I will not try to convince you otherwise

P.S.
Go tell about your "groundless speculation" to the 200000+ victims and orphans, though

Note
Was it "groundless speculation" that the US Government lied on the relevant quantities of WMDs in Iraq?
Was it "groundless speculation" what the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 told us?

And why Sweden, like any other country, said almost nothing about it?
Is it speculation as well?
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The dastardly Swiss and Nigerians didn't even go as far as Sweden. Why are you not bashing them? Or Samoa, they said nothing at all. Bush should be extradited by Samoa. Yeah, that makes sense. Or the happy nation of Sealand, what have they done about Bush? Nothing. Hey, it's the JREF board, extradite Bush to Ponylandistan, why not?
 
Watanabe said:
You have enormous problem in basic English

You still have no evidence that the charges of sexual assault against Assange are politically motivated

[different from]

In this specific case there are obvious suspicions (not PROOFS!) that the whole issue is politically motivated.
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This is such a copout. You are obviously implying that the charges against Assange are politically motivated. There is no reason to bring up Bush otherwise.

But you are trying to have it both ways. You have no proof of anything so you say there are just suspicions. That's not enough. It appears you think this is clever. It is not. It is immature.
 
Watanabe said:
I wasnt talking about Swedish commenting on movies.
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You didn't?
Watanabe said:
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Was it "groundless speculation" that the US Government lied on the relevant quantities of WMDs in Iraq?
Was it "groundless speculation" what the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 told us? And why Sweden, like any other country, said almost nothing about it?Is it speculation as well?
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But it doesn't matter exactly what you intended to say, because you have failed to establish any connection between either the claims about WMDs, the movie, whatever it is that you think it told us, or Sweden's lack of comment on any of the above and the Assange prosecution. It is all irrelevant.
 
Watanabe, did you miss?

Klimax said:
Watanabe said:
Klimax said:
Detainees in Guantanamo aren't criminals, they were caught as illegal enemy combatants in Afghanistan and Iraq where combat operations were conducted and they were members of designated terrorist organizations. They are treated under different international and USA laws.

No such thing for Sweden or Ecuador. No such thing for Assange. (He is not designated terrorist nor member of such organization)

So far La-la is your shouting to keep you invalid ideas from being destroyed by not listening us...

ETA: I see you intentionally missed rest of my post. Why was that?
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Of course you can find a legal excuse for everything, even for keeping hundreds of people in jail for years without a due process.

I am sure the American people are unsophisticated enough to believe what their Government tell them as true no matter what.
Click to expand...

Combatants are not criminals. They are goverened by clear international law and its breakage is prosecuted by Hague.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice (Yugoslavia, Nuremburg trial,... http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1=3&p2=2)

As for that second assertion, I'm sure Japanese have a lot of experience with just following government, don't they...
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Watanabe said:
I did not call anyone stupid, but feel free to report.
I have already said everything that needs to be said..
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If your aim is to undermine your own basic point - that Assange shouldn't go to Sweden because the US might spirit him away - then, yes, you've said everything that needs to be said.
 
Watanabe said:
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If the charges in Sweden against Assange in Sweden are not politically motivated then there is no reason to question the fairness of the pending trial.
I have never said that
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And round and round we go..
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Look.. I got fed up of the whole story.
You guys just do not want to be convinced, no matter what. Fine for me.

As I said, better take advantage of the situation than try to change someone` s mind :)
 
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