What's your theory about 9/11?

Good question. What about the ruins. .

My thoughts are, that the two slab formed ruins have never exist, and where placed by Kubricks special effect teams into the scene.

If this fits, it will be a strong hint in my direction. If the ruined ground still exists, the two slab buildings must still be there.


Please TomTomkenT, stay honest. Do not draw that card of the victims. Beachnut made also the same psycho attack to pull me out of this discussion. This is not fair play.
We are all together clear about what happend to that innocent people. My intention is not to hurt the feelings of their familys. I said it already.

Here is a pic, when he took the final scene, on the right side are the ruins and the marching marines, the two slab buildings must have been on the right side in the background, but there are only the "modern" quadratic towers of the city. I found them in the pics coming from Spanx.(See the link)
So where are our two slabs. Are they a special effect ?
In the final scene, the 3 modern towers must be visible, but they disapeared because they does not fit to Huey city. He must had a special effect team, because the modern towers are disturbing the scene, also in other takes.
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My thoughts are, that the two slab formed ruins have never exist, and where placed by Kubricks special effect teams into the scene. ..

I think what most of us here wonder is...why? How does this connect to 9/11 in any reasonable way?

Please, connect the dots for us.
 
So just to be clear, once again my direct questions were not answered.

My thoughts are, that the two slab formed ruins have never exist, and where placed by Kubricks special effect teams into the scene.

If this fits, it will be a strong hint in my direction. If the ruined ground still exists, the two slab buildings must still be there.


So you didn't read the interview about how he could film there because it was due for demolition and redevelopment?
Figures.
Note the hilighted sentence.


Please TomTomkenT, stay honest. Do not draw that card of the victims. Beachnut made also the same psycho attack to pull me out of this discussion. This is not fair play.

So, what exactly is dishonest or psycho about pointing out that your argument has been worded in such a way -twice now- as to reduce the actual events down to staged entertainment?

We are all together clear about what happend to that innocent people. My intention is not to hurt the feelings of their familys. I said it already.

And yet you not only persist with the discussion as a way that has been pointed out to be in poor taste, but to now attack those who gently reminded you that you were on dubious ground. I am glad you have no concerns about keeping it classy.

Here is a pic, when he took the final scene, on the right side are the ruins and the marching marines, the two slab buildings must have been on the right side in the background, but there are only the "modern" quadratic towers of the city.

And how did you come to the conclusion these were the only structures in the setting rather than the set.

I found them in the pics coming from Spanx.(See the link)
So the "towers" are part of the ruins and not special effect.

So where are our two slabs. Are they a special effect ?
Er, you just said the buildings were right there. Remember? You know, those buildings you can see in the background which look monolithic because of lighting...

In the final scene, the 3 modern towers must be visible, but they disapeared because they does not fit to Huey city.

So they are visible, but invisible. Please do try to make sense about which structures you are talking about, and if they are visible or not.

He must had a special effect team, because the modern towers are disturbing the scene, also in other takes.
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Well, we know there was a special effects team, because there were special effects. They didn't REALLY go around shooting people.

But you know, it doesn't take a special effects team for unlit structures not to be seen in a night time shoot. Or to appear monolithic.

So I am now going to assume that you chose not to answer my direct question because you know the answer. If the "twin towers" are a feature of the island, would the director have had to remove them to avoid sending your message, because you know full well that would mean your "message" can not be distinguished from unintended background detail.

I also note you have still offered nothing here that matches the "methodology" you posted a while back (eventually), you have not addressed the flaws with that methodlogy, or varified it with an academic source.

You have given no means by which the film maker could be aware of the future attack, or any way to distinguish this scene from any other film that also happened to feature two large blocky structures.

You are now ignoring that your "key" to the secene was text that you misrepresented and did NOT say "my town". You have offered no reason that text was intended to remind anybody of New York, or that it would remind anybody of New York except you.

Thank you kindly for wasting your final chance. My conversation with you is over.
 
I know.

Do you know if the ruins are on the place until now ? Is it a long way from Kent ?

If you had done any, even the most basic research on this film, you'd have known that they shot it at Beckton Gas Works which was to be demolished. So no, your towers will not be there anymore.

If you're serious, you should reevaluate your skills as an iconologist.
You don't even try to rule out coincidence.
 
The Isle of Dogs set was used for the Da Nang scenes. The Hue battle scenes were filmed at Beckton, and those two concrete slabs were two of a longer row of similar structures that were scattered in front of the "Pham Thi Kieu Linh / Huynh Thi Ngan" building on the gas works set, probably the ones seen here on the far left. Another one of those slabs, the one left of the building in the middle of the picture, which is on fire in the MMM scene, can also be seen in the shot. If you pay close attention, you see that Kubrick had the actors first walk from left to right on the first shot of the scene, then ran out of background and had them walk from right to left for the next shot in front of the same background.
 
... Thank you kindly for wasting your final chance. My conversation with you is over.


There was no conversation. You did not read what I wrote.

In shorts words :

The towers in the final scene are not visible at any pic of the filmset. Only modern towers (Appartments or offices) could be detect longer away in the background and they are squared formed.

They could not be the twin slabs in the movie's final scene.

So the twin slabs of the final scene must be pasted into the background.
Why that ?

Answer : He needed them to give a hint to the WTC.

The burning SINGLE monolith gives no direct hint for the WTC (only a hint to a burning object in the year 2001).
The "My town" sequence gives no hint to the WTC. Only a hint to New York.
The final scene gives the hint to the WTC !

The burning monolithe says : burning tower in the year 2001
The my town sequense says : in my town New York
The final scene says: the World Trade Center

So in the last minutes of the movie come the message :

"In the year 2001, a burning tower in New York, its the WTC"

Give me an device that this is wrong, and I go home.


regards Hans
 
There was no conversation. You did not read what I wrote.

In shorts words :

The towers in the final scene are not visible at any pic of the filmset. Only modern towers (Appartments or offices) could be detect longer away in the background and they are squared formed.

They could not be the twin slabs in the movie's final scene.

So the twin slabs of the final scene must be pasted into the background.
Why that ?

Answer : He needed them to give a hint to the WTC.

The burning SINGLE monolith gives no direct hint for the WTC (only a hint to a burning object in the year 2001).
The "My town" sequence gives no hint to the WTC. Only a hint to New York.
The final scene gives the hint to the WTC !

The burning monolithe says : burning tower in the year 2001
The my town sequense says : in my town New York
The final scene says: the World Trade Center

So in the last minutes of the movie come the message :

"In the year 2001, a burning tower in New York, its the WTC"

That has to be one of the finest examples of conspiracist reasoning I've ever seen. Wow.




Give me an device that this is wrong, and I go home.

Uh-uh.
 
The burning monolithe says : burning tower in the year 2001


Debunked by Kubrick himself.

The my town sequense says : in my town New York


It has been shown to you again and again that this was "MY TOAN". As all writings on the buildings of this set it is Vietnamese, not English.

The final scene says: the World Trade Center


See my previous post.

So in the last minutes of the movie come the message :
"In the year 2001, a burning tower in New York, its the WTC"


Delusion.

Give me an device that this is wrong, and I go home.


You will not.
 
The Isle of Dogs set was used for the Da Nang scenes. The Hue battle scenes were filmed at Beckton, and those two concrete slabs were two of a longer row of similar structures that were scattered in front of the "Pham Thi Kieu Linh / Huynh Thi Ngan" building on the gas works set, probably the ones seen here on the far left. Another one of those slabs, the one left of the building in the middle of the picture, which is on fire in the MMM scene, can also be seen in the shot. If you pay close attention, you see that Kubrick had the actors first walk from left to right on the first shot of the scene, then ran out of background and had them walk from right to left for the next shot in front of the same background.

Thank you Muc,

Your post is comming at the right time and helps a lot.
I agree with your statements in full size!
I also noticed the "strange" curse the marines are walking when I was thinking about the camera positon.

The two slabs at the lower left side of the pic could be the hit. The distance between each other and the distance to the ruins fits about 100%.

You have a very good eye. And a lucky hand.(looking for a job?:D)

I pull back : The ruined slabs are not pasted in. I WAS WRONG.

Thanks for that post full of substance.;)
 
..You will not.

Yes I will.

But a last statement to MY TOWN.

I see the movie as a chain of paintings. The sequence is about 3 sec long, witch will give about 70 different paintings. Every painting is a single pic, which has nothing to do with the other 69 pictures.

I take one of the first pics and I see a building with damaged letters on top.
In that single picture is no hint to vietnam, a county called My toan or other interpretations. I take the pic and forget all the other 69 and forget the movie.

So I began to interpetate the pic isolated from all other aspects. Only trying to decipher what is written : My town with an damaged "W".

And the same with one of the last pics in that chain :

I see letters raining down. The Y is back and the N is build by the rest of the W and the origin N. So I read : YN

I know that it is My Toan. But it is not the real My Toan, it is a film set. In 68
pictures it is My Toan, but in minmum 2 pictures of the chain it is
My Town New York. The birthplace of Kubrick is the Bronx on the Island.

That is enough for me, not for you.

Thats life.

Now I go back to MY HOME in Germany to do all the work, which I have not done last week, because of all these postings. And I will whatch Eyes wide shut.

Hope you will find the truth one day.

Special thanks to Childlike Empress, Twinstead, Mac, Muc, and Spanx.


Hans Peper
 
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I wanted to point out, that you must know, how your brain is working, when you want to analyse pictures. You must know, that your perception systems are not working serious.

And it is the same with your thoughts ! Optical and cognitive illuisions are the same construct. One let you see something, which is made up and the other let you think something which is made up.

So these cognitive illusions are most dangerous. If people know, how to create them, they can use it against you.

I think in case of 911 they have done it. Something is wrong with that story.
There must be cognitive illusions at work. It is very difficult to find and destroy a cognitive illusion.


Wait a minute ... You're using examples of optical illusions even though you're not claiming that any optical illusions took place on 9/11? How does that work?

We know how optical illusions are produced by the mind. Vision is split between several different areas of the brain. Then all the information is sent to yet another area where it is synthesized and processed before being sent on to yet another area where it is perceived. Any disconnect between previous experience and what has been viewed is resolved as best as possible in favor of what is known about the world.

That's why the inside of the mask looks like the outside of a face - we're not used to seeing the inside of a mask. It's why the two squares are the same shade of grey - we're used to a shadow changing something's brightness. And it's why the mask illusion fails when you're actually holding the mask - your other senses halp resolve the issue.

But none of this has anything at all to do with "cognitive illusions," whatever those are. Do you have any examples of "cognitive illusions" that are so pervasive they work on nearly 100% of people? I know things like the fake hand and memories of non-events work on some people, even on a majority of people. But there are still a large percentage who aren't tricked.

Exactly what "cognitive illusion" do you think took place on 9/11? How was it achieved? How do you know it was an illusion? What evidence do you have that it was deployed?

It appears you have decided that there is some alternate explanation for the events of 9/11 and that now you are trying to prove that there are mechanisms by which people could have been fooled. You've skipped the steps where you show that there is an alternate explanation and that an illusion was performed.

It is exactly the same as if I claimed I'm holding a purple dragon in my garage. Then, when you ask for evidence, I explain how evolution could produce a dragon-like creature.
 
So I began to interpetate the pic isolated from all other aspects. Only trying to decipher what is written : My town with an damaged "W".

And the same with one of the last pics in that chain :

I see letters raining down. The Y is back and the N is build by the rest of the W and the origin N. So I read : YN

I know that it is My Toan. But it is not the real My Toan, it is a film set. In 68
pictures it is My Toan, but in minmum 2 pictures of the chain it is
My Town New York. The birthplace of Kubrick is the Bronx on the Island.


So an A is a W, YN is NY and continuously shot film is a still picture.

I would concede the brilliance of this analysis if it were in any way brilliant or an analysis.
 

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