9/11 Truthcraft: Teaching 9/11 Truth to Kids

[Jrrarglblarg]

Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
No one has to prove you wrong. You have to prove yourself right. And that hasn't and isn't going to happen.

That's not how science works.

Let me tell you how science, real science, works. You create a precious and beautiful baby, dress her up in her nicest frock and put a ribbon on her head . . .

and throw her into a tank full of vicious, hungry alligators.

You cannot love your baby. Pseudoscientists love their babies, fear/hate anything that threatens them and treat them with kindness, gentle words and soft clothing. Real scientists learn to hate their baby by torturing it with fire and sharp sticks. Real scientists only love the scarred and toughened baby dressed in the hardest armor if and when it crawls from the tank with half an alligator hanging from its mouth.

That's the peer review process. After you (the scientist) "prove" your theory you need to switch gears and try to disprove your theory in any way you can. Nearly guaranteed, your peers will find some way to attack your theory that you never thought of. And you get a chance to take your data and test it with the methods suggested, then resubmit. And the theory will be attacked again by those with entrenched notions, but the attacks will be ideological at that point and not systematic attacks on your methodology. Then, and only then, will the entire process be published.


So is your minecraft "model" of the WTC complex able to accurately depict the ratio of enclosed building volume : structural materials volume? Will you be modeling the entire 110 stories? What are your goals for this model?

 

[WTC Dust]

Minecraft can't even be used as a model, some people have made tributes with it, however they aren't meant to be accurate. The reason people laugh when you say you are using a video game, where you can "fly around", to portray anything in regards to 9/11 is because it's ludicrous. It's a game, there is no physics model, there is no accuracy, you're model is useless. Yeah, it looks pretty neat, the yellow roads are weird, and I'm glad you've found something to invest so much time in. Long story short, your little game WTC is just that, a little game WTC. It has no useful application in the real world, entertaining this theory is completely ridiculous.

As a 3D static model of a big number of large buildings, it's excellent!

 

[WTC Dust]

Blender is a 3D modeling program. It's much better (although much harder to use) than minecraft. Blender is 100% free as well (open source). If you're just building a model, Blender would still work better and look a lot less laughable.

I'm not just building a model, and who cares if other programs can do things? The program I'm using does things.

 

[Tomtomkent]

As a 3D static model of a big number of large buildings, it's excellent!

For artwork.
Not for experiments.
Not for anything of decuational value.
Not for anything that requires any detail, or comment on structure.

If your intention was education you have chosen the wrong medium.

 

[WTC Dust]

Let me tell you how science, real science, works. You create a precious and beautiful baby, dress her up in her nicest frock and put a ribbon on her head . . .

and throw her into a tank full of vicious, hungry alligators.

You cannot love your baby. Pseudoscientists love their babies, fear/hate anything that threatens them and treat them with kindness, gentle words and soft clothing. Real scientists learn to hate their baby by torturing it with fire and sharp sticks. Real scientists only love the scarred and toughened baby dressed in the hardest armor if and when it crawls from the tank with half an alligator hanging from its mouth.

That's the peer review process. After you (the scientist) "prove" your theory you need to switch gears and try to disprove your theory in any way you can. Nearly guaranteed, your peers will find some way to attack your theory that you never thought of. And you get a chance to take your data and test it with the methods suggested, then resubmit. And the theory will be attacked again by those with entrenched notions, but the attacks will be ideological at that point and not systematic attacks on your methodology. Then, and only then, will the entire process be published.


So is your minecraft "model" of the WTC complex able to accurately depict the ratio of enclosed building volume : structural materials volume? Will you be modeling the entire 110 stories? What are your goals for this model?

The model itself is a reasonably accurate (within 10%) depiction of the buildings in and around Ground Zero on 9/11/2001.

I'm not including buildings that were constructed after the terrorist attacks. I'm modeling the entirety of all of the buildings, including the basic dimensions and positions relative to each other.

My goal will be to use this model in conjunction with still images and videos, to examine the damage done on 9/11 to there buildings and areas. The result will be a more complete understanding of the physical events of 9/11.

 

[Tomtomkent]

My goal will be to use this model in conjunction with still images and videos, to examine the damage done on 9/11 to there buildings and areas. The result will be a more complete understanding of the physical events of 9/11.

Then why are you not using a modeling programme that can model the physics of those events?

 

[WTC Dust]

For artwork.
Not for experiments.
Not for anything of decuational value.
Not for anything that requires any detail, or comment on structure.

If your intention was education you have chosen the wrong medium.

Tell me which program would be better than Minecraft at depicting the size and positional relationship of all these buildings and at the same time is intensely popular and very approachable.

It's not enough to simply say something is wrong. You have to replace it with something better.

 

[DGM]

I bet she forgets to add this part to her "model" when she attempts to convince children that there was not enough material in the piles.



Yeah, that's a path train tube in the middle. Big crane, huh Tracy? It can't even reach street level

 

[Tomtomkent]

Very good question.

NEW PHYSICS was involved, as I continue to assert.
Any modeling program written without this new physics is inherently unable to model it.

Which modeling program accommodates the Casimir effect? If the answer is "none" or "I don't know" then you have your answer.

So you wont use the programmes that model actual physics because they can't model the physics you want?

I do indeed have my answer.

Please refrain from calling your artwork educational in future. I think you will have far more success if you claim this is no more than an expression of your belief through art.

 

[WTC Dust]

I could have used Zelda to do the same thing, I suppose, but I like Minecraft better. The one on the left is a depiction of Ipswich, in England. The one on the right is part of my Minecraft map of Ground Zero.

 

[Wolrab]

Lots of time to waste Dr. Dust? Maybe you would have less free time for ridiculous pursuits if you were employable.

 

[Skibum]

The Minecraft map is going to bring people to the point at which they are able to comprehend the importance of my discovery.

Hold on....you plan on removing peoples brains?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Excellent point, but you have to know what my "baby" is.

The WTC was turned into metallic dust.

I've been around long enough to know what your "baby" is in this context, and you've been coddling it and swaddling it, protecting it from reality for quite a while now. At the request of moderators already involved in this thread I will not discuss that detail further.

The Minecraft map is going to bring people to the point at which they are able to comprehend the importance of my discovery.

Most people aren't aware of the extend of the damage done by the 9/11 attacks. After I show them, building by building, what happened, I know that some of them will realize that the hijack story isn't a sufficient explanation.

How will you accurately model the damage using 1 meter cubes? Will you be using 1 cube = 1m scale, or will you increase the resolution of your model to something more accurate?

A map or model built with minecraft is no more accurate than one built with alphabet blocks. I see no utility or educational value in this expense of time and energy. But hey, it's your life. Carry on if you like, but perhaps you could use that as a starting point for a more sophisticated map using grownup tools?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

That Blender video you referenced is ok, but it did not capture all the features of the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Also, I will not be destroying anything. I'm using Minecraft as a 3D map of Ground Zero and looking at documentary and other evidence.

I agree, It didn't have the hologram generator, amatures.

 

[Oz1976]

The best researchers know which tools are appropriate, useful, and available for the job. I really doubt you've had to deal with this very much, unless you, too, are a research scientist.

Have you ever had to invent an experimental test from scratch, gather the materials, conduct the test, and evaluate the results? It's a serious question. If you have, I'd like to hear about it. If you haven't, then you really don't have a place telling me how to do science.

Using MINECRAFT is NOT "doing science". Again, here's a list of more appropriate 3D modeling software packages that you SHOULD be using. But I know, they're just too difficult for you to grasp how to operate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_3D_modeling_software

Oh and don't forget the Physics Engines...ya know, these might help you to understand PHYSICS better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_engine

 

[Oz1976]

Tell me which program would be better than Minecraft at depicting the size and positional relationship of all these buildings and at the same time is intensely popular and very approachable.

It's not enough to simply say something is wrong. You have to replace it with something better.

I already told you what to use. AutoCAD.
http://www.autodesk.com/products/autodesk-autocad/overview

 

[Mudcat]

Oh and don't forget the Physics Engines...ya know, these might help you to understand PHYSICS better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_engine

I think she start with an elementary school text first. Just saying what we're all thinking.

 

[Dash80]

There's nothing fantasy oriented about Minecraft.
You can add fantasy modifications to the game, but I'm not planning to.

What you can do easily in Minecraft is build models. Several other people have built models of Ground Zero, one of them much more detailed than mine.

But these people aren't 9/11 Truthers. They just built the model as a memorial instead of using it as a research tool as I plan to.

Are you bloody kidding? It's a game, just a mindless bit of fun. Hardly a scientific research tool.

I built the Titanic in Sims 3, complete with interiors. For fun, I couldn't use it as a model to show what happened to the ship. It's just a friggin' game.

Anyway you're not really doing anything new, just a virtual version of the chicken wire and pizza box "experiments" other truthers have embarrassed themselves with.

 

[WTC Dust]

Carry on if you like, but perhaps you could use that as a starting point for a more sophisticated map using grownup tools?

You may not be thinking of how popular Minecraft is.

How many people are going to tune in? I do not know.
Maybe a few. But I think the Minecraft angle is good
because a lot of kids and adults play this game and it's
easy to make videos with this game.

 

[LashL]

More posts have now joined their friends in Abandon All Hope. Come on, folks. I asked nicely. I even said 'please'. Do not turn this into another 'no plane' or 'dustifoamication' thread. There are already perfectly cromulent threads for those particular brands of silliness topics.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL