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How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

Watanabe said:
Here there is a different one..

http://www.lawyersweekly.com.au/wig-chamber/news/%E2%80%98does-anyone-seriously-think-this-is-about-a-broke

“I do not believe that all of this fuss and bother is about an arguably broken condom ... it is impossible to believe ... the point of the whole exercise is to get Assange to America,” he said.
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Yes you've posted that worthless opinion piece before. As stated before it displays a shocking ignorance of Swedish, UK and European law as do the comments. The second half of your quote demonstrates the complete ignorance of the author.
 
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Watanabe said:
The evidence of the legitimate suspect is that the Government in which the Swedish Judiciary operates did not do much against GWB even if they accused him to start an illegal war which killed 200000+ people.
This Government could have done much more but did not.
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As has been explained a number of times. The Swedish Judicial System operates independently from the Swedish government. This is both enshrined in law and confirmed by academic research. The Swedish Justice System has behaved independently in previous cases and has behaved entirely in line with standard protocol in this case.

What the Swedish Government has or has not done with respect to the ex-leader of the United States has no, and should have no, bearing on how they proceed with respect to alleged sexual assault.
 
Watanabe said:
Klimax said:
Insufficient. It's your claim it is. Prove it.
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The Don said:
No, it's not a matter of opinion:

Some evidence no matter how weak >> no evidence whatsoever
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The evidence of the legitimate suspect is that the Government in which the Swedish Judiciary operates did not do much against GWB even if they accused him to start an illegal war which killed 200000+ people.
This Government could have done much more but did not.
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Mind to post link where they accuse GWB/USA of starting illegal war? I recall protests by some countries, but don't recall outright accusations.
(Heh, for all that Sweden bashing you missed some nice links out there, which have interesting titles and they are about Sweden, Iraq and USA...)
 
The Don said:
As has been explained a number of times. The Swedish Judicial System operates independently from the Swedish government.
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Evidence?

The Don said:
This is both enshrined in law
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It is enshrined in the law of North Korea that North Korea is a democracy

The Don said:
and confirmed by academic research.
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Irrelevant, as all the academic research provided is not about suspects involved in big leaks..

The Don said:
The Swedish Justice System has behaved independently in previous cases and has behaved entirely in line with standard protocol in this case.
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All previous cases are irrelevant as for the reasons above

The Don said:
What the Swedish Government has or has not done with respect to the ex-leader of the United States has no, and should have no, bearing on how they proceed with respect to alleged sexual assault.
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It should have a lot of bearing as the Swedish Judiciary system operates in Sweden, which is the country which did nothing to go after GWB.

Wudang said:
Yes you've posted that worthless opinion piece before. As stated before it displays a shocking ignorance of Swedish, UK and European law as do the comments. The second half of your quote demonstrates the complete ignorance of the author.
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Please show evidence that you know the issue better than Australian barrister, human rights and refugee advocate Julian Burniside.
 
Klimax said:
Mind to post link where they accuse GWB/USA of starting illegal war? I recall protests by some countries, but don't recall outright accusations.
(Heh, for all that Sweden bashing you missed some nice links out there, which have interesting titles and they are about Sweden, Iraq and USA...)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden–United_States_relations
However, like many other European governments, Sweden opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq, reasoning that the invasion was a breach of international law.
 
What, in your opinion, is the best way for Assange to be declared innocence or guilty in the case of the alleged rape?

Either he is innocent or he is guilty of it. What would be the best way to get to the truth?
 
erwinl said:
What, in your opinion, is the best way for Assange to be declared innocence or guilty in the case of the alleged rape?

Either he is innocent or he is guilty of it. What would be the best way to get to the truth?
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We could discuss which are the guidelines that could be put in place to avoid a ploitical prosecution of Assange.
But the funny fact is that the people are always criticizing Assange for his behaviour than criticizing their own soldiers for the crimes that the leaks showed, and this points me to think that the peoblem is even deeper, with the mentality of the people that see the "enemy" only on the other side..
 
Watanabe said:
Klimax said:
Mind to post link where they accuse GWB/USA of starting illegal war? I recall protests by some countries, but don't recall outright accusations.
(Heh, for all that Sweden bashing you missed some nice links out there, which have interesting titles and they are about Sweden, Iraq and USA...)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden–United_States_relations
However, like many other European governments, Sweden opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq, reasoning that the invasion was a breach of international law.
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Is Wikipedia all you know? Link in that article is nonfunctional, so mind to post link to news itself? (Wiki is not that trustworthy - only as far as one can check links, but link is dead)

You will do your own work to support your bloody assertions. Also when you go back to Google, could you please show(like what steps of reasoning you did) what does this thing has to do with case of Assange?
 
Your opinion ≠ everyone else's opinion.

Watanabe, the world will make much more sense once you overcome your cognitive egocentrism. Trust me.
 
Watanabe said:
We could discuss which are the guidelines that could be put in place to avoid a ploitical prosecution of Assange.But the funny fact is that the people are always criticizing Assange for his behaviour than criticizing their own soldiers for the crimes that the leaks showed, and this points me to think that the peoblem is even deeper, with the mentality of the people that see the "enemy" only on the other side..
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Well. What would those guidelines be?
They would have to protect him against political persecution, but also would have to protect the rights of the women, if he would be guilty. In that case he would have to go to prison, wouldn't you agree?
 
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Watanabe said:
Evidence?
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I note that you accept that the Swedish Justice System has behaved in a politically independent fashion in the past and up until now and are now claiming that it's only in cases relating to "big leaks" where their independence is suspect.

Ignoring the fact that this case isn't to do with "big leaks" and is instead to do with two counts of sexual assault, what has the Swedish Justice System done differently in this case which leads you to believe that it is operating under political pressure rather than in its usual politically independent way ? As far as I can see, all of its actions are consistent with prosecuting two allegations of sexual assault but please, show me how they are behaving differently in this case.
 
Dancing David said:
There is a citizen of sweden who has made a report that they were sexually assaulted by Assange.

This is still pretiral, the only evidence that it is politically motivated is Assange's claim.
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What evidence you have that the claim was genuine and that the trial is not politically motivated?
 
Watanabe said:
We could discuss which are the guidelines that could be put in place to avoid a ploitical prosecution of Assange.
But the funny fact is that the people are always criticizing Assange for his behaviour than criticizing their own soldiers for the crimes that the leaks showed, and this points me to think that the peoblem is even deeper, with the mentality of the people that see the "enemy" only on the other side..
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I've looked at and reviewed the gunship video that was leaked - and frankly the incident is not a war crime.

The incidents in the prison were criminal and were punished accordingly.
 
erwinl said:
Well. What would those guidelines be?
They would have to protect him against political persecution, but also would have to protect the rights of the women, if he would be guilty. In that case he would have to go to prison, wouldn't you agree?
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It is out of the scope of this thread to discuss the guidelines.
If you are interested, please open another one

The Don said:
Ignoring the fact that this case isn't to do with "big leaks" and is instead to do with two counts of sexual assault
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Evidence?
 
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Dancing David said:
There is a citizen of sweden who has made a report that they were sexually assaulted by Assange.

This is still pretiral, the only evidence that it is politically motivated is Assange's claim.
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And the fact that the Government of Sweden did not do much against the US invasion of Iraq
 
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