How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

[Here_to_learn]

I assume to find evidence that there has been political pressure, you will need to check the mail inbox of Hillary Clinton or of some authority in Sweden.

"Some authority"?

But I gave you a specific list - that authority would need to pressure those actually involved with the case, so again - where have you seen that pressure?

If you haven't seen anything at all, this thread is basically dead, but if you want to continue in CT you could tell us which are most suspicious from that list.

 

[Watanabe]

You're claiming that it is politically motivated; I am not. It's up to you to provide evidence for your claim, not for me to provide evidence for the negative proposition

No
I have claimed that there is the legitimate suspect that it is politically motivated and I have provided evidence (i.e. he Swedish Government did not do much agaisnt Bush)

 

[Watanabe]

"Some authority"?

But I gave you a specific list - that authority would need to pressure those actually involved with the case, so again - where have you seen that pressure?

I could not look into their mail inbox.
Could you?

 

[uke2se]

No
I have claimed that there is the legitimate suspect that it is politically motivated and I have provided evidence (i.e. he Swedish Government did not do much agaisnt Bush)

That's not evidence of legitimate suspicions that the Assange case is politically motivated.

 

[Here_to_learn]

In order to support a claim that it is behaving differently in this instance, you need to provide some evidence.

Not in cases involving the biggest leak in history

So this is your whole point that since JA was involved in the leak, there is no need for evidence?

 

[uke2se]

I could not look into their mail inbox.
Could you?

In other words, you have no evidence.

You should at least be honest with yourself.

 

[The Don]

Does not change the fact that News International is by far more powerful than Assange

It does not change that, but you implied that the reason why the newspapers have not been prosecuted is because they are more powerful. There is plenty of evidence of members of the public bringing suit against newspapers so it cannot be too difficult for a government to bring charges.

Not in cases involving the biggest leak in history

Julian Assange being prosecuted for sexually assaulting two women in Sweden has nothing to do with any kind of leak, unless of course you can provide evidence to the contrary.

I repeat, where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is subject to political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

 

[Here_to_learn]

I could not look into their mail inbox.
Could you?

Actually yes. We have far reaching laws in Sweden regarding information freedom, this means that you can gain access to a lot of information from any part of the public sector in Sweden.

This is the reason that a lot of the information from the police investigation is available to newspapers, and on the Internet. That makes it possible that actually investigate the actions.

Of course, if your claim that it's not possible to see the difference in actions and results between the JA case handled according to the law, and the JA case handled under political pressure, how can there be a difference?

 

[The Don]

No
I have claimed that there is the legitimate suspect that it is politically motivated and I have provided evidence (i.e. he Swedish Government did not do much agaisnt Bush)

You have done no such thing. Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

 

[Watanabe]

Actually yes.

Good.
Please provide evidence that you can guarantee that no authority in the Swedish Judiciary system has received any kind of pressure from the Swedish or the US GOvernment to go after Assange. Please post the evidence here.

 

[The Don]

Evidence?

People the US has prosecuted and/or declared that they would prosecute:

- Bradley Manning (leaker)
- Edward Snowden (leaker)

People or organisations the US hasn't prosecuted and/or declared that they would prosecute for publishing the same leaked information.

- Julian Assange
- El Pais
- The Guardian
- The New York Times
- Le Monde
- Der Spiegel

 

[Watanabe]

You have done no such thing. Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

You keep asking me the same question, you are receiving the same answer

I have no such evidence
Do you have evidence that that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?

 

[Watanabe]

People the US has prosecuted and/or declared that they would prosecute:

- Bradley Manning (leaker)
- Edward Snowden (leaker)

People or organisations the US hasn't prosecuted and/or declared that they would prosecute for publishing the same leaked information.

- Julian Assange
- El Pais
- The Guardian
- The New York Times
- Le Monde
- Der Spiegel

Do you have any evidence that they are not after Assange or any other else without telling in public?

 

[uke2se]

You keep asking me the same question, you are receiving the same answer

I have no such evidence
Do you have evidence that that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?

Null hypothesis. Watanabe still doesn't understand it. I bet he thinks it's terribly unfair.

 

[uke2se]

Do you have any evidence that they are not after Assange or any other else without telling in public?

Do you have any evidence that you have stopped beating your wife?

 

[Here_to_learn]

Good.
Please provide evidence that you can guarantee that no authority in the Swedish Judiciary system has received any kind of pressure from the Swedish or the US GOvernment to go after Assange. Please post the evidence here.

You really don't get this, do you...

Or actually, it's obvious that you do, just take a look at the parts of my last couple of post that you remove when you quote me...

 

[Klimax]

Going after leakers, not some insignificant publisher.

Evidence?

Manning is on trial (IIRC) and Snowden is hiding in Hong Kong.

So far nothing about Assange. No extradition request nor anything else. Or by the other way any evidence that USA goes after publishers? It's your calim that it is reason why they go after Assange. Like big Newspapers for publishing those really damaging NSA leaks.

 

[Watanabe]

Actually yes. We have far reaching laws in Sweden regarding information freedom, this means that you can gain access to a lot of information from any part of the public sector in Sweden.

This is the reason that a lot of the information from the police investigation is available to newspapers, and on the Internet. That makes it possible that actually investigate the actions.

Of course, if your claim that it's not possible to see the difference in actions and results between the JA case handled according to the law, and the JA case handled under political pressure, how can there be a difference?

Do you have evidence that ALL the private information of ALL the people involved in the judiciary are accessable by the public in Sweden?
If not, your point is null.

I did not say it is not possible to have a proof that there is the difference, you can have the proof, is you have access to all the private information of all the people ..

 

[Watanabe]

Manning is on trial (IIRC) and Snowden is hiding in Hong Kong.

So far nothing about Assange. No extradition request nor anything else. Or by the other way any evidence that USA goes after publishers? It's your calim that it is reason why they go after Assange. Like big Newspapers for publishing those really damaging NSA leaks.

So far nothing about Assange?
I thought he was surrounded by policemen in the Embassy of Ecuador in London..

 

[The Don]

You keep asking me the same question, you are receiving the same answer

I have no such evidence
Do you have evidence that that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?

This case is not linked to big leaks, it's linked to alleged sexual assault.

That said, if we assume that this relates to big leaks then no, we have no direct historical evidence that the Swedish Justice System is independent of political influence with respect to cases relating to big leaks because this is the first such case. But we do know that in all other cases they have been independent and you have presented no evidence to show that this case is any different.