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How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

Wudang said:
And every such "academic" study that has been posted here has been torn to shreds for misuse of facts, poor design and other grounds. What grounds do you have to dismiss this study other than that it disagrees with you?
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Based on the fact that they are irrelevant as for Assange` s case
 
Watanabe said:
Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?
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At the risk of repeating myself.

  • The statement from The Swedish Justice System stating their independence
  • The academic studies confirming the independence of the Swedish Justice System and the absence of academic studies to the contrary
  • The behaviour of the Swedish Justice System in the past in cases where coutnries sought to bring political pressure to bear
  • The behaviour of the Swedish Justice System to date in the prosecution of the case

Where's your evidence ?
 
Watanabe said:
For the US Government it would have been much easy to prosecute Assange than go against the New York Times
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Not really. In the case of the New York Times all they would have to do is to bring whatever charges they wanted to bring and start the legal action. In the case of Julian Assange under your conspiracy fantasy they seem to have had to coerce Sweden to attempt to extradite Julian Assange from the UK and then by means unknown to extradite him from Sweden to the US.

It's coming up to three years since the start of the investigation and more than two years since the EAW was issued - it doesn't sound like the easy path to me.


Of course it's all fantasy, where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?
 
The Don said:
Not really. In the case of the New York Times all they would have to do is to bring whatever charges they wanted to bring and start the legal action. In the case of Julian Assange under your conspiracy fantasy they seem to have had to coerce Sweden to attempt to extradite Julian Assange from the UK and then by means unknown to extradite him from Sweden to the US.

It's coming up to three years since the start of the investigation and more than two years since the EAW was issued - it doesn't sound like the easy path to me.
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The NYT is by far a much more powerful entity than Assange

The Don said:
Of course it's all fantasy, where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?
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Of course it's all fantasy, where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?
 
The Don said:
At the risk of repeating myself.

  • The statement from The Swedish Justice System stating their independence
  • The academic studies confirming the independence of the Swedish Justice System and the absence of academic studies to the contrary
  • The behaviour of the Swedish Justice System in the past in cases where coutnries sought to bring political pressure to bear
  • The behaviour of the Swedish Justice System to date in the prosecution of the case

Where's your evidence ?
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1) The statement from the Government of North Korea that the country of NK is free
2) irrelevant as they are not about cases involving one of the biggest leaks in history
3) irrelevant as the cases shown were not involving ..
4) does not show in any way that they are not under political pressure;: on the opposite, were the Swedish Jucdiciary under political pressure, they would have behaved exactly like they did
 
Watanabe said:
on the opposite, were the Swedish Jucdiciary under political pressure, they would have behaved exactly like they did
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Could you describe how you figure this? What I mean is - what actions that have happened in this case point point to them being under legal pressure:

The two womens complaints.
The police actions.
The different prosecutor actions.
The legal counsel for the women.
The legal counsel for JA in Sweden.
The two different courts decisions in Sweden.
The police actions in the UK.
The three different courts decisions in the UK.
The legal counsel for JA in the UK.
The legal counsel for Sweden in the UK.

What are the actions that have been take by all or some of these that clearly are different from if they have not been under political pressure?
 
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Watanabe said:
The NYT is by far a much more powerful entity than Assange
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And yet governments and individuals have successfully sued it, and its parent company News International.

Watanabe said:
Of course it's all fantasy, where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?
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Repeating myself.

  • The statement from The Swedish Justice System stating their independence
  • The academic studies confirming the independence of the Swedish Justice System and the absence of academic studies to the contrary
  • The behaviour of the Swedish Justice System in the past in cases where countries sought to bring political pressure to bear
  • The behaviour of the Swedish Justice System to date in the prosecution of the case

Until now the Swedish Legal System has shown itself to be be fair and free from political influence. In order to support a claim that it is behaving differently in this instance, you need to provide some evidence.
 
Watanabe said:
No.

Do you have evidence of the opposite?
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You're claiming that it is politically motivated; I am not. It's up to you to provide evidence for your claim, not for me to provide evidence for the negative proposition.

If there is no political motivation, then there will be no evidence of political motivation one way or the other. If a criminal justice system was to hold all prosecutions to your standard, then no prosecution would be possible because any defendent could simply demand evidence of lack of political motivation and get the trial stopped.
 
Go believe everything they tell you.

It is your right
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And the evidence that the allegation of sexual assault by a swedish citizen is politically motivated is?

I did not say I believed everything.
 
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Here_to_learn said:
Could you describe how you figure this? What I mean is - what actions that have happened in this case point point to them being under legal pressure:

The two womens complaints.
The police actions.
The different prosecutor actions.
The legal counsel for the women.
The legal counsel for JA in Sweden.
The two different courts decisions in Sweden.
The police actions in the UK.
The three different courts decisions in the UK.
The legal counsel for JA in the UK.
The legal counsel for Sweden in the UK.

What are the actions that have been take by all or some of these that clearly are different from if they have not been under political pressure?
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I assume to find evidence that there has been political pressure, you will need to check the mail inbox of Hillary Clinton or of some authority in Sweden.
 
Watanabe said:
I assume to find evidence that there has been political pressure, you will need to check the mail inbox of Hillary Clinton or of some authority in Sweden.
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In other words, you have no evidence. You could have just said so. Discussion over?
 
The Don said:
And yet governments and individuals have successfully sued it, and its parent company News International.
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Does not change the fact that News International is by far more powerful than Assange

The Don said:
Repeating myself.

  • The statement from The Swedish Justice System stating their independence
  • The academic studies confirming the independence of the Swedish Justice System and the absence of academic studies to the contrary
  • The behaviour of the Swedish Justice System in the past in cases where countries sought to bring political pressure to bear
  • The behaviour of the Swedish Justice System to date in the prosecution of the case
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1) The statement from the Government of North Korea that the country of NK is free
2) irrelevant as they are not about cases involving one of the biggest leaks in history
3) irrelevant as the cases shown were not involving ..
4) does not show in any way that they are not under political pressure;: on the opposite, were the Swedish Jucdiciary under political pressure, they would have behaved exactly like they did

The Don said:
Until now the Swedish Legal System has shown itself to be be fair and free from political influence. In order to support a claim that it is behaving differently in this instance, you need to provide some evidence.
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Not in cases involving the biggest leak in history
 
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