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Proving the Aurora Theater Shooting's official story false

Neveos said:
Hahahaha. It's ok, hombre. Do you see the problem, now, or no?
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I remain unconvinced.

Here's a hint: We don't have to explain anything. If you want to convince us that "the official story" is wrong, you have to give reasons. Good reasons, not confused or conflicting initial reports or accounts. Also you need to give an alternative version of what happened that fits better with the available evidence.

I'm not an expert on the details of the Aurora shooting. I don't know what the number of the theater was or why that matters. Yes, some initial reports said that there might be two gunmen, but this is a fairly common occurrence in mass shootings, that is, not being sure how many shooters there are until the scene is secured and all the witnesses interviewed, which takes time.
 
So... What would the football team have done to interfere?
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Confronted the gunman in formation and tackled him to force him to fumble his gun, which would then be passed to a free football player who could've made a touchdown at the nearest police station or security officer.

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oh really? I said that? Quote that for me.
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We're trying to understand what on earth you're talking about. We see wild guesses like that a lot on this forum, and they're almost always in response to some (deliberately) vague forum post by someone who is for some reason unwilling to say what he or she really means.

In other words, we're Just Asking Questions. Why are you against people Asking Questions? Do you work for the CIA?


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But they'll give us free food, free medicine and free housing all we have to do is allow them to cull %10 each year.:eye-poppi
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...and the food is organic free range soylent green.
 
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There are several animations of the attack on the Net.

Maybe the conspiracy folk here can make something like this to show us what he thinks happened.

Watching it is interesting to me because it illustrates how many people who would be called witnesses really wouldn't be able to know very much about what happened. It was a very large theater and many people would have been quite far away. It makes no sense quoting witnesses without knowing more about how much you could expect them to know.
 
Puppycow said:
Yes, some initial reports said that there might be two gunmen, but this is a fairly common occurrence in mass shootings, that is, not being sure how many shooters there are until the scene is secured and all the witnesses interviewed, which takes time.
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And of course, there's perfectly sensible reasons why someone like say:


Neveos said:
As well as the officer who announced over the radio: "I don't know if this information has already been put out but I've been talking to people getting statements. It sounds like we have possibly 2 shooters, one that was in theater 8, seated."
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...a police officer responding to the scene might repeat reports of two gunmen over his radio, even if he didn't see the second gunman himself.

In a situation like this, the potential negative consequences of not reporting a second gunman who really is there far outweigh the potential negative consequences of reporting a second gunman who isn't really there.

In the former case, if there is a second gunman, any police or other first responders, as well as non-evacuated civilians, are at greater risk of being ambushed, and likely killed, if they are not warned of the second gunman.

In the latter case, all they do is waste some time and manpower running down a false report. And provide ammunition for Monday Morning Quarterback CTists to make up nonsense.

So here's a hypothesis for you: In almost every such mass casualty attack, there will be erroneous reports of second gunmen, or second bombs, or second vials of anthrax, or any combination of those threats, and any other threats you could conceive of. Because it's better to err on the side of caution. Which is such a simple concept, that of course the typical CTist can't understand it.
 
Neveos said:
So nobody is going to explain how bullets going through the wall will explain these phenomena:

Flashes, bangs, popping noises, sounds of hissing, smoke, heat on leg, shrapnel?

This is besides the problem of where the shooter is pointing, or that even if he were pointing the direction: the bullet trajectory.
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Bullets going through walls? LOL, it is called physics.

Popping noises? Bullets are flying? lol, wow, called sound from bullets. Do you have a gun? Have you shot it? Have you been shot at? Have you been injured by bullet blowing up concrete? Even when shooting away from you?

Get thee to a physics class quick, and read about weapons safety, and mistakes. Hurry back to reality.
 
Denver said:
I am easily confused, so I don't know the problem. Would you state it for me? Thanks.
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Sure, let me just repeat everything for you. :-)
Neveos said:
Denver said:
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ehcks said:
Neveos said:
So nobody is going to explain how bullets going through the wall will explain these phenomena:

Flashes, bangs, popping noises, sounds of hissing, smoke, heat on leg, shrapnel?

This is besides the problem of where the shooter is pointing, or that even if he were pointing the direction: the bullet trajectory.
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If a gun doesn't produce flashes, bangs, or popping sounds there's a problem. Guns also produce shrapnel. And heat.

As for the smoke, he was using smoke bombs. Which would also be the hissing.

The only "explosives" involved were the propellent charges of the bullets.
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Oh, and how many guns are in theater 8 in your theory?
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According to the cited sources at wikipedia, possibly 3 guns
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Lol. You are saying there are 3 guns present in theater 8? Perhaps you might explain why you think these guns made their way into theater 8...
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Because the gunman carried them in.

(Was that a trick question?)

ETA: My Mistake. That was theater 9.
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Hahahaha. It's ok, hombre. Do you see the problem, now, or no?
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I don't see a problem. Perhaps if you stop being obtuse and start clearly stating what you mean instead of JAQ-ing off, we would be able to respond more clearly.
 
Oh ok, you want me to repeat the question I am asking, and the very point I am making since the original post? Ahhhhh

Neveos said:
So nobody is going to explain how bullets going through the wall will explain these phenomena:

Flashes, bangs, popping noises, sounds of hissing, smoke, heat on leg, shrapnel?

This is besides the problem of where the shooter is pointing, or that even if he were pointing the direction: the bullet trajectory.
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Neveos said:
Oh ok, you want me to repeat the question I am asking, and the very point I am making since the original post? Ahhhhh
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OK

So nobody is going to explain how bullets going through the wall will explain these phenomena:
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False assumption from the start.

Flashes, bangs, popping noises, sounds of hissing, smoke, heat on leg, shrapnel?
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All pretty much just taken from subjective accounts that can be notoriously unreliable.

This is besides the problem of where the shooter is pointing, or that even if he were pointing the direction: the bullet trajectory.
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Again, you are demanding we solve the problem using your tools and assumptions. Why should we do that?
 
Neveos said:
... A working theory is that the explosives were set off in order to justify blocking a football team in the theater who might have interfered with the operation. ...
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That is not a working theory, it is a silly theory.

Please explain this theory in great detail. Where was the football team seated? How does a football team evade bullets? Are they a team of supermen? What operation? An insane nut shooting people is an operation? Wait, he claims he is insane - what is your theory?

So far you are proving nothing except you take news and interviews and form silly theories.
 
Neveos said:
So nobody is going to explain how bullets going through the wall will explain these phenomena:

Flashes, bangs, popping noises, sounds of hissing, smoke, heat on leg, shrapnel?

This is besides the problem of where the shooter is pointing, or that even if he were pointing the direction: the bullet trajectory.
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Thanks. So to be clear, are you saying these things were in theater 8, and could not have been produced by the events in theater 9?
 
I worked in a movie theater when I was a kid. They're dark.

True story:

A woman came to the snack bar upset. She claimed that someone in the theater had thrown a mouse at her. The movie had maybe 12 people in attendance so I went in to observe the "crowd". Nobody was acting strange, and all were over 40 years old.

What we think happened was that a mouse had been climbing up the decorative curtain (the woman was seated in the corner of the auditorium), and the little guy fell. The theater was in a rural area.

My point: Theaters are dark.
 
Neveos said:
Oh ok, you want me to repeat the question I am asking, and the very point I am making since the original post? Ahhhhh
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Well, I would like you to explain what the football team was going to do that would interfere.
 
Neveos said:
Oh ok, you want me to repeat the question I am asking, and the very point I am making since the original post? Ahhhhh
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As I understand it the shooting occurred during an actual shoot out in the movie. It would be very simple for the witnesses to confuse all of the real life sounds and the diagetic sounds occurring in the movie.

At the end of the day witness testimony, which you haven't even provided a source or context for, is not going to make your case. You are ignoring all of the other witness testimony.
 
Neveos said:
Explosives went off in theater 8 (the theater adjacent to the theater that shooting occurred [theater 9]). Multiple people witnessed the smoke, the flashes, the "popping" noises. Some people actually injured with "shrapnel" injuries. One individual, a Rachel Fedelli, in theater 8 actually tweeted that gas cans were thrown into her theater. Witnesses were actually perplexed by the story of bullets coming through the walls (as certain injured individuals had multiple "walls" in the way) and wished to return to see how this could explain the injuries they recieved, but both the theaters were torn down for renovation purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG-Su7ZIFjA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nUJmtJ0sHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1XAxuXHEKk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dcy4nPUM10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUiKKJgbN4E

Debunking attempt slammed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcgGtg2olt4

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A working theory is that the explosives were set off in order to justify blocking a football team in the theater who might have interfered with the operation.

So blatant and damaging is this contradiction, that it has come out, much later, that James Holmes bought a ticket for the showing in theater 8. The case might be made that Holmes planted timed explosives in the adjacent theater, and that this simply has not been reported (with the gag order) prior to the trial. Regardless such a story, and especially stories such as Zack Golditch's, would be extremely damaging to the confidence in the official story, since Golditch was originally told he had a "shrapnel" injury (with Zack saying he felt a "firecracker" go off behind his head) and the doctor refuting that description, saying he was "shot" by a bullet penetrating through the wall.
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Why do you feel that the death of so many people is just a hoax? Really?! Do you think the government is just doing this for S&G's? Really?!

Grow up.
 
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