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Proving the Aurora Theater Shooting's official story false

Neveos said:
I guess this issue will just be ignored? I certainly don't expect people to go "ah, oh my god, what are the implications of there being a conspiracy?"

No. In fact, I'll just do everyone a nice favor and let you know what you should do in light of this revelation:
Keep the story on your minds.
Spread the word of the issue. (trust me, there are -plenty- more, which I will ignore for now)
And finally, extrapolate upon the notion that such an event could be an act of conspiracy, and what enormous implications quickly become apparent.
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Ummm we are all CIA shills here so we already know how we planned it what you need to worry about is why we planned it and what we have planned next.
 
Biscuit said:
Why would a football team be able to thwart this? Was the objective a wildcat offense?
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And even if the football team's presence did pose such a risk, then why not just postpone their scheme for another day, or even move it to another theater? Why complicate matters by going ahead with the plan and playing around with explosives to try and deal with a wild card?
 
Neveos said:
hahahaha. predictable. I remember the purpose of the forum.

Anyway, someone basically posed as a conspiracy theorist, and "discovered" the anomaly on their blog (despite our already having made a big deal out of it). They attempted to invite me and other investigators to do a "show" with them at some point a few days later. I refused, regardless, but before the show was to even begin, the person attempted to say the explosive device was a wall-vent situated close to the floor, next to meghan walton's leg. This was to account for the "heat" she experienced since the explosive was simply the gas can thrown in 9 landing near the wall-vent. How convenient?

Lo and behold, we discovered their teacher "Ostergaard" who describes where they were seated (in conjunction with another article who claims Gage Hankins is sitting "four seats in"), and they are no where near the adjoining wall to theater 9.

In fact, they are in the worst possible place to experience a penetrating bullet: they are in the middle section next to the stair-well. The stair well has a wall keeping people from falling into the gap created by the ascending stairway). This is why Ostergaard has a hard time reconciling his experience with the official story for their injuries- not to mention there is an -additional- stairwell-wall in the other theater: meaning the number of walls needed to be penetrated is likely to be 3.

This is besides the fact that the shooter is firing the -opposite direction- of theater 8 while ascending the stairs, according to the earliest interviews with Jennifer Seeger. She and Dates (who saw the person with a goatee opening the door to the right "waving someone to his location" before the shooting) were sitting on the right side of the theater, and describes waiting for the shooter to ascend the stairs on the left side. While it is not necesarily the case, the shooter ascending the left side of the theater would have been firing the opposite direction of theater 8 to fire into the crowd.
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How did you get your investigator certification?
 
Neveos said:
Explosives went off in theater 8 (the theater adjacent to the theater that shooting occurred [theater 9]). Multiple people witnessed the smoke, the flashes, the "popping" noises. Some people actually injured with "shrapnel" injuries. One individual, a Rachel Fedelli, in theater 8 actually tweeted that gas cans were thrown into her theater. Witnesses were actually perplexed by the story of bullets coming through the walls (as certain injured individuals had multiple "walls" in the way) and wished to return to see how this could explain the injuries they recieved, but both the theaters were torn down for renovation purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG-Su7ZIFjA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nUJmtJ0sHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1XAxuXHEKk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dcy4nPUM10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUiKKJgbN4E

Debunking attempt slammed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcgGtg2olt4

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A working theory is that the explosives were set off in order to justify blocking a football team in the theater who might have interfered with the operation.

So blatant and damaging is this contradiction, that it has come out, much later, that James Holmes bought a ticket for the showing in theater 8. The case might be made that Holmes planted timed explosives in the adjacent theater, and that this simply has not been reported (with the gag order) prior to the trial. Regardless such a story, and especially stories such as Zack Golditch's, would be extremely damaging to the confidence in the official story, since Golditch was originally told he had a "shrapnel" injury (with Zack saying he felt a "firecracker" go off behind his head) and the doctor refuting that description, saying he was "shot" by a bullet penetrating through the wall.
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Could you please tell us what you think actually happened?

It seems that Holmes has pled not guilty by reason of insanity.
 
Hahahaha.

How very interesting. No attempt to address the phenomenon directly? "we heard a hiss, saw smoke, a loud bang, and then I felt pressure on my arm". Comes from Gage Hankins. Teacher says they all saw a flash. Walton says she felt heat on her leg.

Takers?
 
Neveos said:
Hahahaha.

How very interesting. No attempt to address the phenomenon directly? "we heard a hiss, saw smoke, a loud bang, and then I felt pressure on my arm". Comes from Gage Hankins. Teacher says they all saw a flash. Walton says she felt heat on her leg.

Takers?
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What phenomenon?
Could you please tell us what you think actually happened?
 
Neveos said:
How very interesting. No attempt to address the phenomenon directly? "we heard a hiss, saw smoke, a loud bang, and then I felt pressure on my arm". Comes from Gage Hankins. Teacher says they all saw a flash. Walton says she felt heat on her leg.

Takers?
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Sure. Eyewitness/victim/perp testimony in times of chaos and/or extremely high stress is virtually useless.

Care to refute that?
 
Neveos said:
Hahahaha.

How very interesting. No attempt to address the phenomenon directly? "we heard a hiss, saw smoke, a loud bang, and then I felt pressure on my arm". Comes from Gage Hankins. Teacher says they all saw a flash. Walton says she felt heat on her leg.

Takers?
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I don't watch YouTube conspiracy videos because they are subjective and edited to present only one point of view. Perhaps there is a credible source you could link to? Maybe a source for your quotes? Their expertise in shrapnel, explosives, ballistics, medicine, and just what our evil plan is?

P.s. we are watching.
 
Neveos said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG-Su7ZIFjA
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Torn down to prevent victims from achieving closure by returning to the crime scene?

Neveos said:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nUJmtJ0sHM
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Who is "they"?

Neveos said:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1XAxuXHEKk
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Pepper bombs? Got details on those?

Neveos said:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dcy4nPUM10
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Claims shrapnel wounds from gas grenade, where is the proof?
Hiss/smoke/bang/popping noise is proof of gas canister? They threw a gas can?
Because no one saw the suspect do something it is proof he didn’t do it?

Neveos said:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUiKKJgbN4E
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So feeling heat and seeing smoke equals a bomb now? No explosions/dismemberment?

Was there anything to these videos at all?

Neveos said:
Debunking attempt slammed: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcgGtg2olt4
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What is the gist of this 17 minute video?

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Neveos said:
A working theory is that the explosives were set off in order to justify blocking a football team in the theater who might have interfered with the operation.
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is there any direct evidence of explosives in theater 8 at all?

Ranb
 
Ranb said:
Who is "they"?
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Yes, this is the point. Since the entire event appears to have well thought out by "The Man" who is behind the whole thing, and exactly what is (or was) the outcome supposed to be?

The beauty of conspiracy theories is just that an event happened, therefore a conspiracy. The people who post them never have the faintest hypothesis as to why they happened, who did it, and what part of the GREAT PLAN is being invoked.

And of course, Neveos will be as incapable as anybody else who believes this sort of crap to be able to explain the "why's" of this event. Because of course, he does not have a clue as to "why" it was done..

Norm
 
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hypothesis? That these people are telling the truth. That there are explosive devices in theater 8. Official story says these experiences are to be accounted for by bullets penetrating through the walls. From the looks of this thread, it would appear no one is yet agreeing with the official explanation.
 
Welcome to jref, neveos. Fasten your seatbelt and place your tray-table in teh upright, locked position.
 
Neveos said:
hypothesis? That these people are telling the truth. That there are explosive devices in theater 8. Official story says these experiences are to be accounted for by bullets penetrating through the walls. From the looks of this thread, it would appear no one is yet agreeing with the official explanation.
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Why bother to link to these videos if you will not defend the content?

Ranb
 
SezMe said:
Sure. Eyewitness/victim/perp testimony in times of chaos and/or extremely high stress is virtually useless.

Care to refute that?
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Not to mention open to interpretation.

Also, a smiley face is not the most endearing icon for this subject. Perhaps the OP should avoid opening responses and rebuttles with manic laughter.
 
Hahahahaha.

Someone sure does miss the days of the good ol' 911 "movement"! Everything is so less grandiose now :(
 
Tomtomkent said:
Not to mention open to interpretation.

Also, a smiley face is not the most endearing icon for this subject. Perhaps the OP should avoid opening responses and rebuttles with manic laughter.
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kinda like that first welcoming rebuttal, right? ;)

So let's take it slow :D

"we heard a hiss"

Anybody feel like explaining this "hiss"?
 
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