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I contacted the Church 13.5 years ago, by picking up the phone directory and using the first one in the book. If you mean into it by asking the Church for support, then yes, and due to the fact that yes everything it teaches is paranormal.
Well the various references to Jesus, and your acceptance of the concept of 'spirits' both originate from religious teachings, so I think the Church has influenced your present position rather more than just a vague dalliance with the Church 13 years ago.

But it's not a value judgement I'm making, just pointing out that you more "in to" the paranormal than you think you are.
 
What a thoughtful, well written post. Thank you for a great read. I personally appreciate you exposing your own vulnerability to help others further understand the nature of reality and experience as they relate to each of us internally. Hats off.


For what it is worth, I would like to second the comments above. Nice post asydhouse.
 
So if the silent recording reveals no spirit voices on play back the claim that the spirits manipulate the wires when you play back recordings is clearly false. The next thing would be to claim the spirits manipulate the sounds you are recording to make their voices apparent on play back. This means they are using the software and not the hardware. A new laptop or different speakers should make no difference and you should only need one recording not multiple.
 
Total silence.
There is the slight concern that you are re-running (regenerating, creating anew) the silence track in Audacity, rather than replaying the original one - the one you should have recorded to a WAV file.

Make sure you have a blank/silent WAV file and that it can play in some other media player.

What I'm trying to show you is that a pukka recording of absolute silence is not able to host the "spirit" voices. Do you agree?
 
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asydhouse,

Let me add to the thanks from other posters for your fantastic essay about your experiences. I keep talking about the singing frog cartoon as a metaphor for flaccon's experiences. I'd call your experience a better metaphor, except it's not fiction. I'll call it a parallel experience. It might be helpful to flaccon and I hope it is. But I must ask, if you had read a similar true story from someone trying to help you back when you were in India, how would you have reacted at the time?

What was it that helped you turn the corner? This appears to be one of those "spectrum" conditions. You seem to have the mildest form of "hearing voices" with one very accute episode. Others, like televangelists (if they are to be believed) hear voices much more often. Others carry on a constant conversation with the voices quietly in their life and still others find the voices so intrusive that they end up shouting on street corners or institutionalized.

Thanks again. If it's not educational to flaccon, it was at least educational to me.

Is there another version of this story out there in which you do not edit for brevity? If so, I'd like to read it and I'll bet I'm not alone.

Ward
 
I don't wish to sound stupid (understatement) but I have little knowledge of audio equipment. My only thought is to record the recorded files, onto a different laptop, to add lots more volume, to bring out the background. I shall purchase an external mic, to compare quality.

You've been given clear instructions as to how to generate silence, both in this thread and by Aldebank's account in person, too. Under the same "Generate" menu you'll find options to generate either a tone or noise. That should work better than recording anything, because you won't get imperfections. And it won't cost you a penny.
 
Yes Alderbank explained how to do that. I just done one. It will only play through Audacity, and it is completely silent.

Then the spirits are not communicating through playback but, instead, you are hearing voices in the imperfections in your recordings. In other words, pareidolia.
 
flaccon,

Has the visit from Alderbank and his nephew had any effect on your befief that you are receiving messages from spirits?

IXP
 
asydhouse,

Let me add to the thanks from other posters for your fantastic essay about your experiences. I keep talking about the singing frog cartoon as a metaphor for flaccon's experiences. I'd call your experience a better metaphor, except it's not fiction. I'll call it a parallel experience. It might be helpful to flaccon and I hope it is. But I must ask, if you had read a similar true story from someone trying to help you back when you were in India, how would you have reacted at the time?

What was it that helped you turn the corner? This appears to be one of those "spectrum" conditions. You seem to have the mildest form of "hearing voices" with one very accute episode. Others, like televangelists (if they are to be believed) hear voices much more often. Others carry on a constant conversation with the voices quietly in their life and still others find the voices so intrusive that they end up shouting on street corners or institutionalized.

Thanks again. If it's not educational to flaccon, it was at least educational to me.

Is there another version of this story out there in which you do not edit for brevity? If so, I'd like to read it and I'll bet I'm not alone.

Ward


Hi Ward, In fact I haven't ever written in this much detail about my experiences before. I've spent decades now occasionally thinking about it... for many years I would have a physical reaction when I tried to talk about it (heart rate increase, shallow breathing, anxiety response...), and just not knowing how to interpret what had happened. Maybe two decades before I came to firmly believe it was a psychotic break. I honestly don't know if it would have helped for someone to write to me as I've written to flaccon... but at some point in that process it would have, i think. Feeling isolated was a part of the problem, so yes at least that sharing would have helped.

I don't want to hijack this thread though, so I won't say any more about it, except to say that I have recently begun to get a handle on how I would write about it, and I do want to write my autobiography in the near future... you can check out my website if you want to see more of my current state of mind and artistic activities.

Briefly to indicate how I managed to "turn the corner": I was raised in a family with no religion (in Canada and in Vermont), and so I was very lucky that I was a teenager before religion came into my awareness. Being basically a naive atheist hippy, my paranoia went from starting with police interference to thinking I was being contacted by aliens, through to the awful realisation that hindu gods might be some kind of reality... until they suddenly revealed that it was the devil... at which point I just knew it wasn't real! It felt like they were trying to get rid of me at that point.

So, early indoctrination makes a mind trap. If I'd have been a catholic, I'd have been screwed. Even being an atheist, I had an "open mind" and someone dumped that crap into it... and I went back to figuring it was police and Hindu self-defence (they don't like people pretending to be sadhu)... but the imprint was so deep that my doubts would arise for years later. (But within a few weeks of returning to Britain, I convinced myself that I was not living in hell because I saw a young couple walking down the street, and they were obviously in love... at that moment I knew I had a chance, because I knew that love could not exist in hell! Thus worked my rationalisations... over time I talked myself into reality... submerging myself in volunteering at the head office of Friends of the Earth for a couple of years helped me a lot!)

I could only truly put it behind me when eventually I had a really good LSD experience. (I had jumped off a moving train in India at one point, and it occurred to me that everything else after that was an after death experience, so for years I was scared that if I took acid all my effort of talking myself out of the reality of that fear would be stripped away to reveal that the mundane world was just a mental construct, and I would be back in the afterlife... eventually I was able to prove to myself that this world is real, I'm not dead, and life is a beautiful thing. The trip was the final step after many years of work, a large part of it being studying science courses with the Open University and mixing with many many people, so the weight of experience overhelmed the possibility that it was all an illusion I had built up to flee from the "spirits" I was surrounded by in India. I've recently been back for the first time and found myself of sound mind in Goa... cured! ;))

I'm sorry, I wanted to briefly answer your question, but it's hard to express all this succinctly, and I really should bow out of this thread now, except if flaccon wants to ask anything. You can contact me through my website, or pm me if you want.
 
I am trying to be helpful here so bear with me.

From my non-woo technical point of view.
I'll accept at face value that you have considerable technical expertise in acoustics but I'm concerned that this whole line of thought (equipment, software, etc.) is apt to lead flaccon down fruitless alleys.

She has stated that the voices she hears are clear and unmistakable. We now know that not to be the case. But suggesting that she fiddle around with a new laptop, better speakers, improved setup, etc. is just a sidetrack. She has been hearing these voices as if in direct "conversation" and she thinks she can even identify the speaker (her dad, brother, etc.). Thus, it may well be fruitless to spend time and money on that aspect of the matter.

That said, some of the simpler tests suggested here - like the silent recording - certainly have merit. But I think focusing on the technical details of her rig is beside the point.
 
If it is without doubt imagination, I would seriously have to think of getting my ears tested, and accept it for the fun-side of it.
The problem is NOT your ears. Please stop thinking there is something physically wrong with you (at least in the context of this thread). What you are experiencing results from processes in your brain - processes that are normal. If you would fully accept this fact, then some of the other results of the testing so far may be easier to understand.
 


I assumed people would go to my profile and click on "contact info" if they were interested.... I really don't want anyone to think I'm trying to publicise myself through this thread!

But since you ask, and to save everyone here the extra effort, having come this far: http://www.asydhouse.co.uk

:boxedin:


PS I'm off to bed now, in case anyone asks for any more answers etc tonight... I'm not just ignoring you!
 
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Thank you for sharing your journey, asydhouse. I would have nommed the post but others got there first so I will be content with supporting the nomination.
 
So we've now gone from unmistakeable full and clear sentences explaining the mysteries of life and the universe to single words.

Flaccon, can you not see why some people here are criticising the claims you make on your website?

What will it take for you to realise the voices you hear are in your imagination and that other people sometimes hear the same as you is because they too have imaginations?

What objective test can you do that will rule this possibility out?
Until you do, it is the most likely explanation.

Sentences are difficult to follow, gobbeldy gook. Alderbank asked for some kind of beginner's recording. I thought it best to have them try single words.

I can't rule out many events, and put it down to imagination. Too many folk involved. I'm wondering where imagination like this would stem from.
 
It wouldn't take away the first six years of witnessing certain events, or relieve the external happenings, but one family member to tell me that is not our Fathers voice, and I would consider imagination. I could wish for nothing more than to think our Father is RIP.

If it is without doubt imagination, I would seriously have to think of getting my ears tested, and accept it for the fun-side of it.

Weren't those first six years when you were under psychological evaluation for a long time?

Note, while you were eventually given a clean slate, psychologists don't make pronouncements on whether spirits exist. And, though it shouldn't need to be said again, pareidolia isn't a mental illness.

Those first years were a very troublesome time. Don't cling to them and do yourself more harm.
 
Please explain what that means.

Being within, they get through to the electric wires through my fingers.

I have to point out if that if this was my imagination, I would not have forgotten that they had the ability to reply in older records. They showed this ability 8 months ago, and I'd asked them to not alter the recordings (no point in writing messages down) They only reminded me the other night due to the bird noises outside. I'm wondering if Alderbank can work out where the frequency is coming from. He explains "created" but by what or where? It's my second laptop with the same noises. I'll upgrade this laptop and see what happens.
 
Weren't those first six years when you were under psychological evaluation for a long time?

Note, while you were eventually given a clean slate, psychologists don't make pronouncements on whether spirits exist. And, though it shouldn't need to be said again, pareidolia isn't a mental illness.

Those first years were a very troublesome time. Don't cling to them and do yourself more harm.

No I was studying Psy at the time, and understood psychosoma. If what was happening then, was due to psychosoma, then my children and partner where in danger from it, because it attacked them too. I voluntarily got myself checked out, as one would do. It was not for a long period of time (weekly home visits, approx. 12) I functioned well with everything, other than the hauntings.
 
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