flaccon, why do you suppose that Alderbank didn't hear the same words that you did? I would like to know why you think Alderbank didn't experience the same thing you did.
Alderbank et' al, we (by the spirits suggestion) are working on just single words here, for the word-identification test. If your nephew could be present, that would be 4 participants comparing notes, and hearing from the same equipment it was recorded on. There is also something we could try regarding pre recorded messages that alter. I have your name, distant but clear on a recording dating back to Nov 2012. I am continuing to have your name repeated in many older recordings.
This is not a usable protocol, flaccon. Please remember the goal is to distinguish between spirits speaking and pareidolia. What you propose does not do that.
By the way, you did say before the spirit messages were clear and unmistakable, didn't you? You have moved a considerable distance from that prior claim.
ETA. Ah yes, I went over it just the once. I do hear Alderbank, and I will save this file (There were a couple of records with your name on last night. I marked them "Alderbank" I did not retrieve them, but will save them. One always hears ones name, clearer than a strangers name.
flaccon, IIRC you heard Alderbank's name on a recording before this evening. Are you hearing his forum nick (Alderbank) or are you hearing his actual name? When you heard his name before (if I am correct about you hearing his name on an earlier recording) did you know his real name at the time?
That's probably not a very clear way of saying it. What I want to know is, could you hear his real name on any recordings prior to knowing what his real name is?
flaccon, IIRC you heard Alderbank's name on a recording before this evening. Are you hearing his forum nick (Alderbank) or are you hearing his actual name?
flaccon you may be feeling too bombarded right now to read or answer this. But have you considered that your spirits don't seem to show very good judgment? Their objections to doing testing just aren't valid -- if they truly exist and are simply refusing, then they are behaving in a silly way and putting you through all this for nothing. And why would they ever ask you to approach a bishop? Clergy have absolutely no reason to help you -- they are entirely invested in promoting their own version of the spirit world. Helping communicate with your spirits is not in their job description and against their self interests. Why would the spirits be setting you up with such a futile task? It doesn't speak much for their wisdom, or their knowledge of humans. Which makes me think that their ideas on world peace are probably pretty suspect too.
Maurice, it is not beyond strange. We spoke about that, if I was to say to Alderbank, "is this your name being mentioned" it is considered void. So I dismissed it. I am now gathering many recordings with ALDERBANK being spoken, including other single words.
IXP posted that a 10 K pot across the speakers would give a lower voltage representative voltage. He is correct, and he also realises that there is the possibility of introducing added noise. This added noise would come from the connection wiring that might pick up stray EM signals, but using shielded (screened) cable would reduce this. Carbon potentiometers also have a very small temperature related noise.
The recording technology is important. If one uses a handheld Dictaphone, they probably have filters in the microphone pre-amp circuit, but more importantly they compress the recording by taking out quite a bit of information that is considered not necessary. See the internet discussions on analogue recordings versus digital compact disk. A sound file sent over the internet will have quite a bit of compression and hence loss of information. See the settings as to the amount of loss - the smaller the file, the bigger the loss. Many digital recordings cannot handle spikes because of the very high bandwidth required to accurately capture them. Spikes are typical in signals with noise and hiss. The audiophiles should be able to clarify this aspect, and someone might have a high quality audio tape recorder.
Another consideration when one listens to a signal is that the human ear is also an instrument with a frequency response curve. As people get older there eardrums get arthritic (less flexible), and they cannot detect higher frequencies. It may be that that flaccons hearing curve is very different to other people. She should have a hearing test to determine her curve. It also means that two people sitting side by side will not necessarily hear the same sounds.
batpuncher made an excellent observation that flaccon might be picking up the air woosh in the bass reflex ports. To replicate what she hears, one would have to make a model of her head and place a microphone in the models ear. I know this is excessively technical, but you guys have spent a lot of time on this thread.
I am also making some posts out of consideration for flaccon to assist her in understanding some of the issues before investing heavily in a hall and more equipment.
This post may help flaccon get a better understanding of audio pareidolia.
I was in Nelson Mandela Square one night and saw a big group of people. They were in the dark and raising their arms as they chanted “Amandla. Viva”. In South Africa we see this weekly on TV as groups protest in the streets. This group turned out to be a bunch of teenagers shouting “Justin Bieber” and wanting him to appear at the hotel window. All four of us in our group agreed we heard the first phrase until we got nearer.
Not everyone is the same. I am useless at seeing images, and I don’t see the man in the moon. I see nothing in your images. There are those 3D posters that look like a random pattern until you “unfocus”. It took me ages to be able to see the images despite all sorts of helpful advice.
I'm as quick as the next member to jump on minor foibles, so I'd like to point out that I was wrong about this post yesterday afternoon and flaccon has my respect for going through with the "test". (As do Alderbrank and the nephew.)
Some hopefully helpful advice to flaccon from a spiritual perspective.
My experience of spirits is that they are limited in affecting the physical world. They might be able to produce a sound by tiny signals in your circuits. This means that the spirit signals are in the low voltage circuits such as the microphone itself, or the electronic circuits after the microphone. It is unlikely that the signals are introduced during playback, unless it is in the pre-amplifier portion. Playback may need distortion from the drive circuits or the speakers to make the recorded signals recognisable. The spirits may be able to modulate the air rushing in and out of the speaker holes, but only when you put your ear there.
It is more than likely that only you can hear the “voices” and the words, and the spirits are communicating with you in your thoughts. Why would other people hear the voices? They might be picking up suggestions from you, it might be an unconscious “communication” from you such as sub-vocalising, or the spirits do the occasional communication.
Spirits may wish to communicate to please you, but a Higher Power stops it from happening. The anecdotal cases of spirits are that they are not very bright (clear thinking that is). You accept that there are good and bad spirits. How do you know that these spirits are not messing with you? You say your Dad never swore, but his spirit does – could this be a bad spirit imitating your Dad? You mention unpleasant “hauntings”. You might need to some-one who can stop bad spirits. That might mean your “connections” disappear.
The way people stop bad spirits is to do cleansing rituals beforehand - smudging, or spending a bit of time asking the Powers of Good (God, Great Spirit, whoever) to shield you from evil. If the spirits are mischievous they may be keeping you away from the Bishop, so that they do not lose their influence over you. I thought you were the driving force behind what is happening, but now I think you might be a victim of your spirits. If so, dump them.
Maurice, it is not beyond strange. We spoke about that, if I was to say to Alderbank, "is this your name being mentioned" it is considered void. So I dismissed it. I am now gathering many recordings with ALDERBANK being spoken, including other single words.
Before the word "Alderbank" had entered your mind, you had never heard it on any of your recordings. After the word "Alderbank" had entered your mind, you're hearing it everywhere.
This is what's known in the industry as a "PROBLEM"
As has been pointed out, you have no experience of spirits. You have experiences you ascribe to spirits, against all evidence and logic.
They might be able to produce a sound by tiny signals in your circuits. This means that the spirit signals are in the low voltage circuits such as the microphone itself, or the electronic circuits after the microphone. It is unlikely that the signals are introduced during playback, unless it is in the pre-amplifier portion. Playback may need distortion from the drive circuits or the speakers to make the recorded signals recognisable. The spirits may be able to modulate the air rushing in and out of the speaker holes, but only when you put your ear there.
It is more than likely that only you can hear the “voices” and the words, and the spirits are communicating with you in your thoughts. Why would other people hear the voices? They might be picking up suggestions from you, it might be an unconscious “communication” from you such as sub-vocalising, or the spirits do the occasional communication.
Spirits may wish to communicate to please you, but a Higher Power stops it from happening. The anecdotal cases of spirits are that they are not very bright (clear thinking that is). You accept that there are good and bad spirits. How do you know that these spirits are not messing with you? You say your Dad never swore, but his spirit does – could this be a bad spirit imitating your Dad? You mention unpleasant “hauntings”. You might need to some-one who can stop bad spirits. That might mean your “connections” disappear.
The way people stop bad spirits is to do cleansing rituals beforehand - smudging, or spending a bit of time asking the Powers of Good (God, Great Spirit, whoever) to shield you from evil. If the spirits are mischievous they may be keeping you away from the Bishop, so that they do not lose their influence over you. I thought you were the driving force behind what is happening, but now I think you might be a victim of your spirits. If so, dump them.
flaccon, I hope you are reconsidering your plan to hire a room and give a public demonstration. Do not be misled by the politeness and respect with which your claims have been received here. Most people who read your description of your demonstrations on your website and, when they turned up, heard only what Alderbank and his nephew heard would not be polite and respectful.
She says she would like better equipment to record on. There are audio specialists on this forum - I told her to ask for specific advice in this thread.
My advice is that better equipment will equal less noise. Less noise will equal no spirits.
flaccon, you don't need better equipment to record on. Open Audacity and generate a silent file.* You say that the spirits manipulate the output, rather than appear during the recording process, so the file being completely silent should be fine. You won't get a better recording than that, even on the best equipment money can buy.
Listen carefully to the start of this song:
The very start of the video is completely silent. But, you'll notice that just before the singing/guitar starts, there's hiss. That's from the recording equipment. As this is a song from a successful artist with a recording contract, this will have been recorded in a top recording studio with top-quality equipment. Yet there's still noise. You won't get better than generating a completely silent file in Audacity.
If you can't hear the spirits when playing back this file, then that's an indicator that you're hearing voices in the noise, rather than something being added to the output of the files.
*To do this, open Audacity, go to "Generate>Silence", select how long you want the file to be in minutes and seconds and hit "Okay". That's it. Do not press record, your file has been created. To save it go to "File>Export". Make sure you save it somewhere you can find it, and that you select a good format to save it as from the drop-down menu. I suggest wav.
flaccon, I hope you are reconsidering your plan to hire a room and give a public demonstration. Do not be misled by the politeness and respect with which your claims have been received here. Most people who read your description of your demonstrations on your website and, when they turned up, heard only what Alderbank and his nephew heard would not be polite and respectful.
When the man with the singing frog hired a hall, the audience was NOT polite and respectful at all. Since flaccon's experience is following the same storyline, I would not expect it to be any different. The man with the frog eventually got rid of it before it could do him any more harm. I hope that flaccon does not need to let the spirits harm her before she gets rid of them.
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