Shooting at Santa Monica

triforcharity said:
Of ALL the times we've had shootings in a public place, how many times has that actually happened? Oh, right....never.
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Has it really never gone wrong with a CCW permit holder shooting the wrong person or making some sort of mistake?


COULD it happen? Sure, it's not impossible. Is it plausible? Possibly. Does it reflect something that occurs regularly or even rarely? No. It's fantasy.
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So no fantasy, certainly plausible and it does not need to be daily occurrence to be considered a problem.
 
WildCat said:
On what planet do people just start shooting everyone with a gun? Who shoots without identifying the target?

Surely you have examples of this wild wild west blood in the streets scenario of yours?
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The NRA's plan is for far more people to have guns to deal with the bad people who have guns. So the potentials of lots more guns being carried in public need to be looked at.

Considering there are shoot outs between gangs and police and gangs, the possibility of armed members of the public getting involved is a very real one.
 
casebro said:
Don't you remember the recent ex-cop gone bonkers incident? The REAL COPS opened fire on several different vehicles, some of which didn't even match the description of the perp's car?
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Lol, true. I guess that's what happens when cops are apparently immune from prosecution.
 
Did anyone notice that one of this guys guns appears to be a Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 caliber black powder revolver?

That has to be a first!
 
Details about Santa Monica shooter John Zawahri, 23.

Neighbor Mykel Denis said he would often hear [Zawahri] through the walls "yelling, screaming and cursing," and that often the loud outburst occurred when the man was home alone....A close friend of the family, who asked not to be identified, said that Zawahri struggled with mental health problems. "John had a fascination with guns," said the friend. "We were all worried about it."
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A loner, isolated, apparently unemployed, angry. Same old same old. :(

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The shooter had an AR-15 and a pistol, reportedly several hundreds rounds of ammunition. Indications are, at this time anyway, that he did acquire them, they were not in the homes of his father or mother.

Mr. Zawahri had been hospitalized for treatment several years ago after allegedly talking about harming someone, a law enforcement source told CNN on Saturday. The source said Zawahri suffered mental-health issues.....But there are no reports yet that [Zawahri's mother] Ms. Abdou had the AR-15 allegedly used in the massacre Saturday. The Times quotes the Zawahri family friend as saying: "Everyone is wondering where he got the money for the weapons."
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3point14 said:
This little nugget is almost always a sign of someone with no evidence to back up the claim it follows.
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Or perhaps it's just a sign of someone who's tired of being goaded into repeatedly re-posting links and examples for those who willfully ignored them in the first place.

But I guess you've got to call-it-as-you-see-it...
 
WildCat said:
Did anyone notice that one of this guys guns appears to be a Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 caliber black powder revolver?

That has to be a first!
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I noticed the gun that you're talking about but I can't say that I knew what it was. If it is what you say it is then I suppose that would make it the first 'black powder assault revolver'...:eek:
 
Autolite said:
I noticed the gun that you're talking about but I can't say that I knew what it was. If it is what you say it is then I suppose that would make it the first 'black powder assault revolver'...:eek:
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I'm willing to bet that black powder revolvers have been used in assaults, many times before.
 
Gun laws in California include a requirement that purchasers of handguns must pass a written test (Handgun Safety Certificate). Handguns sold by dealers must be "California legal" by being listed on the state's roster of handguns certified for sale. Private sales of firearms must be done through a licensed dealer. All firearm sales are recorded by the state, and have a ten-day waiting period.

California is a "may-issue" state for carrying concealed guns, ranging from No-Issue in most urban areas to Shall-Issue in rural counties. Concealed carry permits are valid statewide. Link

It is not clear where or how John Zawahri acquired the AR-15 rifle he apparently used for most of his murderous work.

It is not clear where Zawahri got a hold of his AR-15 — the same weapon used in the Aurora theater shooting and the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre last year. Technically, certain AR-15 rifles are prohibited in California, but critics have said the law is rendered essentially toothless by loopholes and legal challenges.
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BenBurch said:
As easy to get there as anywhere. There are no significant controls on who can buy guns.
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Sure there are. The shooter reportedly had mental health issues, which would bar him from "possessing, purchasing, receiving, attempting to purchase or receive, or having control or custody of any firearms" if he was being treated for them. I've read that he was admitted for treatment in 2006, but I'm not sure when he was released.

There is also a ban on high-capacity magazines (> 10 rounds) in California. From the pictures I've seen, and my near-total ignorance of firearms, I'd say the clip he walked into the college with was probably legal under California law.
 
DJW said:
I am under the impression, perhaps false, that California has very significant gun control laws.
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Under Federal law, unless changed recently, a cap-and-ball BP pistol is not a firearm.
Of course, it only holds 5, must have a cap pushed onto each nipple, and takes a hour to reload...
 
Nessie said:
Does anyone think that having loads of CCW permit holders about would

- reduce casualties in mass shootings?

- reduce shootings overall?
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If I happened across an active shooter I would have an option others may not have.

That is a fact.
 
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