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flaccon said:
(Alderbank, I have just written out a very good sequence of speps & tests, including if they can see though solid material to identify colours)
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Oh, I see. We will test to see what tests spirits can pass so we can decide how we will test for spirits.

flaccon, isn't there anything you know about what these spirits can do that would lead directly to an objective test? You started out with such confidence in you broad-brush claims, but now you seem to be floundering.
 
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flaccon said:
Dis-prove it? £100 isn't a lot.

(Alderbank, I have just written out a very good sequence of speps & tests, including if they can see though solid material to identify colours)

PS. Reminder; It's not about the business Biscuit.
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What is a specific objective ability these spirits can perform?
 
jsfisher said:
Oh, I see. We will test to see what tests spirits can pass so we can decide how we will test for spirits.

flaccon, isn't there anything you know about these spirits can do lead directly to an objective test? You started out with such confidence in you broad-brush claims, but now you seem to be floundering.
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I've no idea of the rest of their ability. I'm confident at the over-all outcome. This test tomorrow, is just finally the ball rolling.
 
flaccon said:
My claim is "Spirits exist" My explanation of their ability, is also a claim. The rest is obvious, that is our destiny.
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Ok,

Claim: spirits exist
Protocol for testing: please fill this part in.

Claim: spirits have abilities
Protocol: first define these abilities.
 
I would like to add, as the self-appointed jerk, that to some of us, who are not running scams, £100 represents a day or two of honest work.
 
flaccon said:
My claim is "Spirits exist"
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Then you need to find a way to support that claim by demonstrating some kind of event for which "spirits exist" is the only possible explanation. Hearing voices in recordings of noise is not such an event. Hearing voices in recordings of noise which give you correct information which you could not otherwise obtain is.
 
Flaccon:

Please make some specific, unambiguous claims right now about what the spirits can actually do. The kind folks here can then easily work with you toward a test protocol. Time is ticking and Sunday is approaching fast.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
I would like to add, as the self-appointed jerk, that to some of us, who are not running scams, £100 represents a day or two of honest work.
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FWIW I don't think you have been a jerk.

If someone is going to claim to provide a service, especially one that includes medical healing, they better be able to walk the walk. Claiming to provide healing with no evidence is fraud regardless if you are being compensated. You are right to point this out.
 
Such a device for spirits to "manipulate" was possible to construct. However, with much information I am receiving, it is likely that Edison would not have been able to have operated the device, had it ever been invented. Such a device requires a spiritual "key" (for want of a better description) This allows the spirits to channel themselves through, and into the device that Edison suggested was possible to construct.[/QUOTE

Flaccon, are you the "spiritual key?"
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flaccon said:
Dis-prove it? £100 isn't a lot.

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It has already been explained to you that the scientific method doesn't work by proving a negative. These claims are yours and the thus the burden of proof is yours. You have to prove your claims, I don't have to disprove them.
 
Let me know if this an acceptable tester?

Step 1. (Live record 1) Recording of live TV.
a) Familiarise with volume & sound.

Step 2. Listen to pre recorded messages.
a) Clear, reducing to cluttered.
a) Familiarise to the different types of vocal ability.

Step 3 (Live record 2)
a) Hearing out the Spirits.
b) Communication test (Method of their ability to communicate)

Test 1. (Live record 3+)
a) Repeating of certain words/phrases.

Test 2. (Live record 4+)
a) Identifying and comparing words.

Test 3. Hidden colour-card identification tests.

Viewing; 80 images of art work.
Visual examination of the originals.
(4 tiny stains, protected behind glass)
 
That isn't a test, let alone an acceptable one.

What is the success criteria? Remember that it must be self evident whether that criteria has been met, with no judgement required.
 
Biscuit said:
Such a device for spirits to "manipulate" was possible to construct. However, with much information I am receiving, it is likely that Edison would not have been able to have operated the device, had it ever been invented. Such a device requires a spiritual "key" (for want of a better description) This allows the spirits to channel themselves through, and into the device that Edison suggested was possible to construct.[/QUOTE

Flaccon, are you the "spiritual key?"
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It is highly likely that there are many other's with this ability. I have accidentally discovered it, after 13 years of such ability. Any further explanation's, are from the spirits.
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flaccon said:
It is highly likely that there are many other's with this ability. I have accidentally discovered it, after 13 years of such ability. Any further explanation's, are from the spirits.
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Now you are making a claim about an ability that you have. Is it possible that if one is not a spiritual key then they can not hear the spirits?
 
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Pixel42 said:
That isn't a test, let alone an acceptable one.

What is the success criteria? Remember that it must be self evident whether that criteria has been met, with no judgement required.
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I image the ultimate test is to calibrate another computer. Highly likely to pass, given this is the third computer, making it 3 out of 3 so far.
 
Are the spirits able to speak in a language other than English? Between the various members of this forum, I believe we have quite a wide variety of people who speak something other than English natively. If flaccon can ask the spirits to send a message in, say, Hawaiian, she can transcribe what she hears phonetically, Alderbank can confirm that is what he hears as well, and we can see if it matches up to a "full sentence" relevant to the question posed.

Obviously if either flaccon or Alderbank are fluent in Hawaiian, we would have to pick another language neither of them are familiar with. Mandarin? Japanese? Hindi? Danish?
 
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