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I'm not sure I understand. You asked about a name and the spirits did not answer your question but instead ordered you to do other things. Is that accurate? Does Police St mean Police Street or Police Station or something else? I'm just a little confused.

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Ward

It's an extremely busy place, it really is. I am certain that they are aware of my request though. Police Station. I did think about that at some point. To request a police visit, and report contact from either another world, dimension, planet, existence. I imagine it would be a duty to report something so serious, yet the Bishop paid no attention.

Reg was a Policeman. My sister is married to an ex head of Scotland Yard, you would think I could get help there, but I did ask.
 
What is it with True Believers and the need to answer every diversion.

Flaccon, if you respond to every comment, you'll be spinning your and our wheels for a month. At this point, you have an offer from two members, an offer which you've apparently accepted, to meet with you and take a look/listen at the phenomena that you feel is going to change the world.

Could we just stay on the topic of what it is you want to show them and have them listen to. What and how they will be able to do in relation to the evidence and your equipment, etc....

For instance, It's very easy to say you have convincing evidence and play back a convincing recording, but if you then say, "Oh, but you can't look under the laptop, the spirits wouldn't like that", we're going to have some skeptics who have a problem with that condition. And I'm sure you can see why.

So could we delineate exactly what sort of test or investigation you guys are going to do and maybe get some input from the more experienced members here, who've been involved in some of these pre-challenge protocols? Maybe someone PM Remie?

Are you agreed that there will be no coterie of believers/supporters and just the two or three of you?

Etc...
 
flaccon, have you asked the spirits Pixel's name yet?


Flaccon,

This is the simplest possible test: Can the spirits tell you Pixel42's given name, and can you post it?

These are very simple questions: yes or no for the first one, and a single-word name for the second.

Some of us know Pixel42's given name, if not necessarily her* family name. If you post the name, we will confirm or deny the claim, as will Pixel42 herself.

Because we know it, Pixel42 can't falsely claim that you are wrong -- not, I hasten to add, that she would do such a thing!!

xterra

*This already eliminates many names from the pool of possible names. Pixex42 is female.
 
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Everyone in this thread is trying to focus on finding and conducting a test of flaccon's claims. A test that we all can comment on, observe, and assess for ourselves. Please don't derail this thread with you own personal question, one that is exclusive to you.


Indeed.

I hand over my everything, including a landline (that's a first by the way) I have nothing to hide, and nothing to lose, for the first time in 20 years. No one may be willing to trust me with an email address, but the offer is always there. Maybe Alderbank will trust me to send him a file? and may be you will all trust Alderbank to be kosher, and deliver you the file? But maybe, if we put "mistrust" on hold, we could seriously move forward.
 
Flaccon,

This is the simplest possible test. Some of us know Pixel42's given name, if not necessarily her family name.

Can the spirits tell you her given name, and can you post it?

These are very simple questions: yes or no for the first one, and a single-word name for the second.

xterra

There is nothing simple about it at all. You type to me like I have the answers, and I am still learning as I go along. Don't pressure me for a guess, if I don't hear anything that I am not 100% certain of hearing, I don't guess the rest, or assume, however I do evaluate, everything.
 
I thought you said that the spirits already know Pixel42's identity.

Did I misunderstand you? If so, apologies.

If not, they should be able to tell you clearly -- especially as you say that they want people to accept their message.

Edited to add, I did not ask you to guess. I asked that the spirits tell you the answer.
 
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I hand over my everything, including a landline (that's a first by the way) I have nothing to hide, and nothing to lose, for the first time in 20 years. No one may be willing to trust me with an email address, but the offer is always there. Maybe Alderbank will trust me to send him a file? and may be you will all trust Alderbank to be kosher, and deliver you the file? But maybe, if we put "mistrust" on hold, we could seriously move forward.


Yet more evasion and prevarication.

You've been given an email address to use, you've been given suggested file sharing sites where you can easily upload a file and remain anonymous. Do you understand that hearing a file played from your computer over the phone is just going to add even more noise to the recording? Why do you keep insisting on doing that?

If there is mistrust, it's been earned.
 
There is nothing simple about it at all. You type to me like I have the answers, and I am still learning as I go along. Don't pressure me for a guess, if I don't hear anything that I am not 100% certain of hearing, I don't guess the rest, or assume, however I do evaluate, everything.

If I heard a distant voice that sounded like Justin Haywood, being distant, he might actually be saying "Just in ..." something completely different. This isn't as simple as you think.
 
Yet more evasion and prevarication.

You've been given an email address to use, you've been given suggested file sharing sites where you can easily upload a file and remain anonymous. Do you understand that hearing a file played from your computer over the phone is just going to add even more noise to the recording? Why do you keep insisting on doing that?

If there is mistrust, it's been earned.

I'm afraid I am one person Adman. I awaited the birds til 10pm, fed and milked 3 cats, did a recording, finally read up on the Cassandra curse, did another recording. P'j'd etc.. another recording, whilst replying to some pertty needless posts. I haven't even got as far as the post that explains this new idea, I only heard it from a witness who called me tonight.

If all I have earned from you is your mistrust, please do not expect my reply to any of your further posts, and please do not take offence by that.

Can you understand that by hearing voices over the phone, is not a waste of time, when thinking of travelling? If I was thinking of travelling, I would like to hear at least something that resembles a voice, and not a frequency. Even via landline, they are recognisable as voices. It was just a polite suggestion
 
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I'm afraid I am one person Adman. I awaited the birds til 10pm, fed and milked 3 cats, did a recording, finally read up on the Cassandra curse, did another recording. P'j'd etc.. another recording, whilst replying to some pertty needless posts. I haven't even got as far as the post that explains this new idea, I only heard it from a witness who called me tonight.

If all I have earned from you is your mistrust, please do not expect my reply to any of your further posts, and please do not take offence by that.

Can you understand that by hearing voices over the phone, is not a waste of time, when thinking of travelling? If I was thinking of travelling, I would like to hear at least something that resembles a voice, and not a frequency. Even via landline, they are recognisable as voices. It was just a polite suggestion

You milked three cats? ☻♫☻
 
What is it with True Believers and the need to answer every diversion.

Flaccon, if you respond to every comment, you'll be spinning your and our wheels for a month. At this point, you have an offer from two members, an offer which you've apparently accepted, to meet with you and take a look/listen at the phenomena that you feel is going to change the world.

Could we just stay on the topic of what it is you want to show them and have them listen to. What and how they will be able to do in relation to the evidence and your equipment, etc....

For instance, It's very easy to say you have convincing evidence and play back a convincing recording, but if you then say, "Oh, but you can't look under the laptop, the spirits wouldn't like that", we're going to have some skeptics who have a problem with that condition. And I'm sure you can see why.

So could we delineate exactly what sort of test or investigation you guys are going to do and maybe get some input from the more experienced members here, who've been involved in some of these pre-challenge protocols? Maybe someone PM Remie?

Are you agreed that there will be no coterie of believers/supporters and just the two or three of you?

Etc...

Bump.

Flaccon, so if you're now backing away from the ability to provide the name (or setting new conditions on it), why not address the above? Keep a focus on an immediately achievable result.

What, in as detailed terms as you can provide, are you going to show our amateur sleuth(s)?

What number of particpants? At one point you mentioned having a whole tribe of believers, skeptics, neutrals. We think this does not work. We have no reason to distrust you, nor to distrust our own members, but "provability" sinks to the bottom with more people because there is too great a possibility of collusion and an equal possibility of one person being swayed by a strong "jury of one" type of personality.

What will the investigators be allowed to examine?

What, specifically, is the "artwork" you speak of and can this be examined at the time of your meeting? I've seen impossible-to-duplicate artwork. "Guernica" springs to mind. You can copy every line of it, but you can't duplicate Picasso's feelings and emotions because there was only one Pablo Picasso. But you seem to be saying that "mere humans" could not, technically, reproduce the works in question. (I know of one person, the editor of Squid Fishing Monthly, who is in this thread and would likely be interested in seeing such creations.)

These are just my thoughts. I'm sure you can fine-tune them with some input, but it would be handy to avoid diversions of "Oh, yeah! Well, what's my favorite colour, then?" and concentrate on setting up a bit of structure to the coming meeting.

AND to actually agree to a date/time.
 
Bump.

(I know of one person, the editor of Squid Fishing Monthly, who is in this thread and would likely be interested in seeing such creations.)

These are just my thoughts. I'm sure you can fine-tune them with some input, but it would be handy to avoid diversions of "Oh, yeah! Well, what's my favorite colour, then?" and concentrate on setting up a bit of structure to the coming meeting.

AND to actually agree to a date/time.

I was thinking of the same guy when I said "I won't mention names..." :D
 
I'm afraid I am one person Adman. I awaited the birds til 10pm, fed and milked 3 cats, did a recording, finally read up on the Cassandra curse, did another recording. P'j'd etc.. another recording, whilst replying to some pertty needless posts. I haven't even got as far as the post that explains this new idea, I only heard it from a witness who called me tonight.

If all I have earned from you is your mistrust, please do not expect my reply to any of your further posts, and please do not take offence by that.

Can you understand that by hearing voices over the phone, is not a waste of time, when thinking of travelling? If I was thinking of travelling, I would like to hear at least something that resembles a voice, and not a frequency. Even via landline, they are recognisable as voices. It was just a polite suggestion


You've been posting in this forum for five days. In that time, you've again and again promised that you would provide the "evidence" for your claims.

All we've seen so far are vague images that prove nothing except anyone can experience pareidolia, confusing statements about what the spirits may or may not be telling you, promises to share a sound file that are then taken back, evasion and prevarication.

You haven't been milking your cats for five days.

Do you see why you may be mistrusted?
 
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I thought you said that the spirits already know Pixel42's identity.

Did I misunderstand you? If so, apologies.

If not, they should be able to tell you clearly -- especially as you say that they want people to accept their message.

Edited to add, I did not ask you to guess. I asked that the spirits tell you the answer.

I'd actually said that I heard him assure me that Alderbank and Pixel won't be nervous. I know you did not ask me to guess, tho I do feel slightly pressured into coming up with something. I would love hands-on with this, it will surely happen.
 
You've been posting in this forum for five days. In that time, you've again and again promised that you would provide the "evidence" for your claims.

All we've seen so far are vague images that prove nothing except anyone can experience pareidolia, confusing statements about what the spirits may or may not be telling you, promises to share a sound file that are then taken back, evasion and prevarication.

You haven't been milking your cats for five days.

Do you see why you may be mistrusted?

No. I offered through email, to those who had good external speakers.
 
I'm pointing out that your website is a front for a despicable scam aiming to take advantage of people who are suffering the loss of loved ones. You tell me mediums only have one name in your opinion. Do you see a problem with that?

No I really don't see a problem in it. I'm afraid my views on the majority of psychic's, clairvoyant's, remains the same. I'm for the common people Maurice, the likes of you.
 
The problem is that pareidolia explains too much. If I observe a painting and say it's an image of a woman, how am I to distinguish art from pareidolia?
Pareidolia is only the null hypothesis when there is believed to be no conscious mind that could be responsible for the image or sound.

Wardencliffe has PM'd me my name. Clearly there is a way of obtaining this information so it's not a suitable test, though it's moot anyway because flaccon was unable to get this information from her recordings.
 
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