Looking for Skeptics

[Biscuit]

This is an interesting one and I shall be watching this thread.

Even with the images that are labeled with the locations of the facial features I can, at best, make out cartoonish distorted "face like" images. On the unlabeled images I can see any number of things but not what is captioned. Showing these to a random selection of people with zero prompting should be enough to dispel this aspect.

It is essential that you clearly get the spirits permission to conduct any test. If you do not you allow yourself the "out" of saying the spirits don't want to participate. Also you need to confirm from the spirits that they can actually participate even in the presence on "non believers."

Are you familiar with the bible's teachings regarding communication with spirits? What is your opinion on that?

 

[Biscuit]

Definitely. I spoke with a witness before who says he will travel down, it has to be a Sunday, and I can only pray this day is acceptable, otherwise I pay the witness a days wage, as well help with fuel costs.

I think we need participants that are neutral and have not already confirmed your spirits to be real. Objectivity is going to be essential.

 

[Biscuit]

On a side note you have mentioned that the spirits have asked you to do things and you have done them. Have you ever refused the request(s) of theses voices? If so why and what was it? If not is there a request you would find unreasonable and refuse to perform if the voices asked you to?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Two things give me an idea for a very simple test that flaccon can perform by herself.

Firstly, the spirits say that they communicate by manipulating wires within the laptop. Secondly, they reply when the recording plays back, rather than when it records.

So...record nothing. Double click on the speaker icon in the tray in the bottom right of your toolbar. In the program which opens up, go to Options>Properties. Ensure that every box is ticked in the pop-up dialogue which appears. Go to Options again and ensure that "Advanced Controls" has a tick next to it. Ensure that every box marked "mute" is ticked. Open Audacity. Hit the record button (the button furthest to the right on the upper leftmost set of buttons. It's large, round, and has a red circle within it, like the record on a tape player). Watch the display that comes up as you record, and make sure that it's a completely flat line.

You have now generated a file which is entirely free of all background noise. Ask a question, play it back, and see what you hear.

 

[Cassidy]

This is an interesting one and I shall be watching this thread.

Even with the images that are labeled with the locations of the facial features I can, at best, make out cartoonish distorted "face like" images. On the unlabeled images I can see any number of things but not what is captioned. Showing these to a random selection of people with zero prompting should be enough to dispel this aspect.

It is essential that you clearly get the spirits permission to conduct any test. If you do not you allow yourself the "out" of saying the spirits don't want to participate. Also you need to confirm from the spirits that they can actually participate even in the presence on "non believers."

Are you familiar with the bible's teachings regarding communication with spirits? What is your opinion on that?

The spirits say there is over a thousand images within the 4 small stains, some are obvious. I really only outlined because a sister asked me to. The spirits once said (months back) "We'll beat science" this statement is surely a challenging statement. I hope they do beat science, they have "positive" plans, and some strong explanations.

I was not familiar with the teaching's no. I was frustrated why the Church would not assist their plea's, until I read up on "voices" I believe it's an insult to God? But if I took the advice of that, I would feel like I was ignoring God, or at least, some sort of God-connection.

I am ashamed that I held little belief in JC. I used to think, if he does exist, and the spirit-world is around me, "where is he?" Not realising that the "protection" I received 13 years ago, was holy. Its that "protection" that has contacted me, healed me overnight, bled blood from a scar, and continues to encourage me, and not for just the benefit of me.

 

[Cassidy]

On a side note you have mentioned that the spirits have asked you to do things and you have done them. Have you ever refused the request(s) of theses voices? If so why and what was it? If not is there a request you would find unreasonable and refuse to perform if the voices asked you to?

Requests so far; Church hood, Bishop. - Good Food types - Analyse the blood myself - Have the blood tested - Go to family members - Go back the Dr's - Write to all the Bishops.

Requests attempted; Church hood/Bishop, for 5 months via email - Failed.
Good food types - successful.
Go to family members; Only three members were brave enough - successful.
Go back to GP - Successful.
Write to all Bishop's; Not done. Once that website is shaped, and the word starts coming out, I hope to fulfil their original request.

Requests I would find unreasonable; Anything to do with flying. Anything to do with dis-proving my life.

 

[Cassidy]

I think we need participants that are neutral and have not already confirmed your spirits to be real. Objectivity is going to be essential.[/QUOTE


I suggest a mixed group would benefit moreso; Myself, A Sceptic, An Open-minded person, a Believer, and a Witness to the experience.

 

[Biscuit]

The spirits say there is over a thousand images within the 4 small stains, some are obvious. I really only outlined because a sister asked me to. The spirits once said (months back) "We'll beat science" this statement is surely a challenging statement. I hope they do beat science, they have "positive" plans, and some strong explanations.

Why does science need beating? Science is not anyone's enemy. Science is, in fact, the only thing that can verify your claims. Science is what created the computer and speakers you are using, science allows you to post here, science is all around and it is emotionless. Science doesn't care if you are talking to spirits or not.

Why are their images so small and arbitrary? Don't you think this is the very definition of Pareidolia? When you take a photo of a stain and then zoom in to a near microscopic level you are most likely seeing digital artifacts.

I was not familiar with the teaching's no. I was frustrated why the Church would not assist their plea's, until I read up on "voices" I believe it's an insult to God? But if I took the advice of that, I would feel like I was ignoring God, or at least, some sort of God-connection.

I am ashamed that I held little belief in JC. I used to think, if he does exist, and the spirit-world is around me, "where is he?" Not realising that the "protection" I received 13 years ago, was holy. Its that "protection" that has contacted me, healed me overnight, bled blood from a scar, and continues to encourage me, and not for just the benefit of me.

You mentioned the catholic church earlier and that you had divine protection so I assumed you are christian.

Leviticus 19:31
'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.'

Leviticus 20:27
"Men and women among you who act as mediums or psychics must be put to death by stoning. They are guilty of a capital offense."

Deuteronomy 18:10-13
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.

 

[Cassidy]

Two things give me an idea for a very simple test that flaccon can perform by herself.

Firstly, the spirits say that they communicate by manipulating wires within the laptop. Secondly, they reply when the recording plays back, rather than when it records.

So...record nothing. Double click on the speaker icon in the tray in the bottom right of your toolbar. In the program which opens up, go to Options>Properties. Ensure that every box is ticked in the pop-up dialogue which appears. Go to Options again and ensure that "Advanced Controls" has a tick next to it. Ensure that every box marked "mute" is ticked. Open Audacity. Hit the record button (the button furthest to the right on the upper leftmost set of buttons. It's large, round, and has a red circle within it, like the record on a tape player). Watch the display that comes up as you record, and make sure that it's a completely flat line.

You have now generated a file which is entirely free of all background noise. Ask a question, play it back, and see what you hear.

Will try this now. Just for accuracy, I called a friend just now. I rec'd for 12 secs, hit stop. Asked them (Reg) to repeat a phrase, and the phrase was repeated 3 times. I've set Audacity to "Normalise" this amplifies the volume very well. Give me 5 mins to work out your instruction.

Edit; Double-click brings up a basic "Raeltek" card with no option to mute. Going through "Control panel" and "Sound" brings up a card with no option to mute. I understand what you are getting at though, maybe someone more computer-minded will be able to set this.

 

[Cassidy]

Why does science need beating? Science is not anyone's enemy. Science is, in fact, the only thing that can verify your claims. Science is what created the computer and speakers you are using, science allows you to post here, science is all around and it is emotionless. Science doesn't care if you are talking to spirits or not.

Why are their images so small and arbitrary? Don't you think this is the very definition of Pareidolia? When you take a photo of a stain and then zoom in to a near microscopic level you are most likely seeing digital artifacts.



You mentioned the catholic church earlier and that you had divine protection so I assumed you are christian.

Leviticus 19:31
'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.'

Leviticus 20:27
"Men and women among you who act as mediums or psychics must be put to death by stoning. They are guilty of a capital offense."

Deuteronomy 18:10-13
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.

Yes they also say they need Science. Sorry, will get back to this in 5.

Edit; I imagine they are referring to scientific testing. They request Science & Technology to build a more deserving device, they say the wires/cables are more important than the computer itself.

Yes Paredolia is a strong point. The spirits do confirm that they performed the images.

I am not at all psychic, not a clairvoyant, no special powers that I am aware of. I was christened C of E. I didn't contribute time to understanding Religion. Other than reading up on Revelations recently. I'm afraid I don't know much on Religion.

I got these "voices" on playback 2 year ago, as I was trying to record heavy creaks running down the walls. I didn't record for over 2 years after that shock, but I do need to try to gather evidence to what I am up against.

This time, I listened to these voices and it was the spirit of my Father. After we spoke for 4 days, I was told to catch my breath, I was made to breathe in for 3 to 4 minutes (witnessed - followed up by dried lips/loose skin in mouth and throat, Anti-biotics for 2 weeks) After that incident, blood was released, a fantastic healing took place. The spirit with the deepest voice, explains their reason for wanting Church assistance. I cannot possibly ignore this because Religion says so, it's too positive. If I did ignore this, it doesn't stop their non-computer activities.

 

[Alderbank]

Flaccon and I have exchanged PMs.

Let's see how we progress

 

[Cassidy]

Flaccon and I have exchanged PMs.

Let's see how we progress

You have no idea how much of a relief it is to start the ball rolling. Thank you so much for your bravery.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

So, Flaccon,

I’ve finally forced myself to visit your website. Wow.

It reads like a commercial website where you advertise contact with loved ones for a fee. Guaranteed contact. Not to mention healing. Or the djinns...

Were it (much) better written, I would qualify it as a scam and a despicable one at that. I absolutely resent anyone who offers this sort of service to people who may be devastated by grief.

On this thread, you sound like you want to prove the existence of the spirit world by giving the spirits an outlet. But on the website you seem to be quite sure that the spirits are available to talk to their loved ones or heal, or reveal your destiny. For a fee.

I understand you might believe everything you say, but it doesn’t make it right. Leviticus has it right*. Frauds who pretend to communicate with the dead are scum. Those who think they’re actually communicating with the dead might not be as bad, but if they make it a business, they’re still scum.
Of course it’s never for personal gain. John Edward and Sylvia Brown(e) both say they don’t make a dime off their precious gift.

I’ll leave it to others to assist you with your proof. All I have left to say is:

Don’t be like those scumbags. Remove those claims from your site until you win a skeptic prize.


*Well, not the part about killing them.

 

[Biscuit]

I think we need participants that are neutral and have not already confirmed your spirits to be real. Objectivity is going to be essential.[/QUOTE


I suggest a mixed group would benefit moreso; Myself, A Sceptic, An Open-minded person, a Believer, and a Witness to the experience.

No. The test either needs to be a double blind "guess" made by you via the spirits or, to test the images and the sounds, all the participants need to be neutral and not exposed to your interpretations or beliefs.

I assure you that skeptics aren't out to sabotage anything. I, for one, would love to be involved in the discovery of something so amazing and earth shattering. It would be like proving the heliocentric model of the universe or discovering a new continent. If this can be verified than the world will never be the same and I doubt a single skeptic exists that wouldn't want to be a part of that.

 

[Cassidy]

So, Flaccon,

I’ve finally forced myself to visit your website. Wow.

It reads like a commercial website where you advertise contact with loved ones for a fee. Guaranteed contact. Not to mention healing. Or the djinns...

Were it (much) better written, I would qualify it as a scam and a despicable one at that. I absolutely resent anyone who offers this sort of service to people who may be devastated by grief.

On this thread, you sound like you want to prove the existence of the spirit world by giving the spirits an outlet. But on the website you seem to be quite sure that the spirits are available to talk to their loved ones or heal, or reveal your destiny. For a fee.

I understand you might believe everything you say, but it doesn’t make it right. Leviticus has it right*. Frauds who pretend to communicate with the dead are scum. Those who think they’re actually communicating with the dead might not be as bad, but if they make it a business, they’re still scum.
Of course it’s never for personal gain. John Edward and Sylvia Brown(e) both say they don’t make a dime off their precious gift.

I’ll leave it to others to assist you with your proof. All I have left to say is:

Don’t be like those scumbags. Remove those claims from your site until you win a skeptic prize.


*Well, not the part about killing them.

Please understand this, If this is the "spirit-world" (and it is) then nothing "normal" is going to come from it. Its all going be bizarre, the "unknown" is bizarre, and there are no levels to bizarreness How can one consider something "too bizarre" ?

As for personal gain, are you really sure about that? I am by no means here to be put down, "Scumbag" is going a little too far. Their information, ability, is FREE. Please watch my lips, FREE. No I cannot afford free fuel.

Why do people place money over everything. Money is nothing more than a way to keep society dumbed down, concentrating on having to look for ones next gold coin because if we don't we starve. Do you think that everything that has ever been invented, wouldn't have been invented, had money not existed? The Barter system worked well in my eyes (Thats just my opinion)

You are very wrong if you think it's about the money. Destroying the bereft with false claims? I've been hungry, in dire pain for 13 years, and I have been bereft, and if I can help those in that position, I will at least try my best to do so... for free.

Anyone, and I mean anyone, fraudulent psychic's, clairvoyant's (that's likely the majority of) Anyone who ever profits off other people's misery, and lays false claims (cheap shots) deserves all they get, what goes round comes round. Amanda Berry's Mother was told Amanda was dead! I will not, and never will be a part of that emotional-life sucking world.

Edit; One more thing, supposing this is the spirit-world making contact, who d'you think is going to have his foot in the door first? Certainly not the spirit of my Father. No spirit is going to choose an individual to profit off such a revelation. Its just not like that.

I chucked a website up in a matter of 15 days, because 1 Bishop refused to investigate what it was I was dealing with. As red-tape has it, there was no other way to spread the word. No other Bishop or Priest is allowed to help, in case they "tread on toe's" THAT, is about the money, who get's to bury me, and charge my children £4000 for resting me in peace. R.I.P is the delusion. So yes I do agree, the website is a rush-job, and even if it wasn't, my inexperience with writing has got nothing to do with a revelation.

 

[Cassidy]

No. The test either needs to be a double blind "guess" made by you via the spirits or, to test the images and the sounds, all the participants need to be neutral and not exposed to your interpretations or beliefs.

I assure you that skeptics aren't out to sabotage anything. I, for one, would love to be involved in the discovery of something so amazing and earth shattering. It would be like proving the heliocentric model of the universe or discovering a new continent. If this can be verified than the world will never be the same and I doubt a single skeptic exists that wouldn't want to be a part of that.

I have replied to Alderbank's PM, and have left him my landline. Alderbank can call me and hear a file via landline, so he knows his journey will not be a waste of time. I will be intrigued to see how the spirits welcome him. I am certain they will call him by his full name.

 

[jsfisher]

Although somewhat off-topic I have to ask: Why flaccon? Tracey Patricia seems like a perfectly reasonable set of names (although I cannot determine if Patricia is last or middle). "Madame Tracey" isn't perfect, but "flaccon" sounds like a military command center for stray bullets.

Sorry, but I gotta know: Why flaccon? (Yes, I know it is your claimed "spirit name", but the spirits supposedly like you.)

 

[Pixel42]

I suggest a mixed group would benefit moreso; Myself, A Sceptic, An Open-minded person, a Believer, and a Witness to the experience.

What are the characteristics of an "open minded person" and how do they differ from those of a sceptic (one whose opinion is determined by the evidence)?

For the record I am retired and willing to travel to Chester at my own expense any time that doesn't clash with my holidays. I would, however, only be prepared to do so for a proper scientific test, the protocol and success criteria for which would have to be agreed in advance.

I will also ask my own SitP group (Cheltenham) if they'd be interested in inviting you as a guest speaker at one of our monthly meetings. If we did, we would pay your petrol and overnight accommodation costs.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Sorry, but I gotta know: Why flaccon? )

To match her You Tube channel? (Icke among favourites)

 

[Cassidy]

Although somewhat off-topic I have to ask: Why flaccon? Tracey Patricia seems like a perfectly reasonable set of names (although I cannot determine if Patricia is last or middle). "Madame Tracey" isn't perfect, but "flaccon" sounds like a military command center for stray bullets.

Sorry, but I gotta know: Why flaccon? (Yes, I know it is your claimed "spirit name", but the spirits supposedly like you.)

I think it was actually meant to be "flacon" Are you being serious with "Madame" ? I hope not, the sarcasm is becoming tiring.

This is probably difficult to explain. Got a pen? write it down, underscore "flacon" Now write it the way I wrote it 13 years ago. Underscore f - Underscore l with a slight curl at the bottom. Underscore a, no curl at the bottom. Underscore c. Underscore o, start at top-left of the o, go clockwise, your upward stroke should come over the o, and straight into the n (underscore) Did you do that right?

13 years ago I was dying my hair. I had just purchased my first computer and was thinking of an online name to use for a Hotmail account. As I read the instructions, I noticed the word "flacon" it stood out with a smear or something, and I thought to use it. I wrote it down "flacon@hotmail.com. My @, was a squiggle that shot over the n. Go have a look in the mirror what it says, I won't influence you.

I added the second c so I didn't feel like I'd been named. Sorry the name isn't to your liking.