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marplots said:
The situation may be rather more delicate than we are allowing for here. Spirits, I would think, have personalities, motivations and agendas. Treating them as if they were mice to run a maze for our benefit might not only be insulting to them, but cause an outright rebellion.

Perhaps flaccon should just accept what he/she is allowed to have and leave it at that?

Flaccon, what do the spirits have to say about all this "skeptic" stuff? Are they interesting in being tested or not?
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They say "We don't belong in a circus" (that was raw EVP, electronic rather than with tone) One suggested I make flash cards for sceptics. Yes they really do express hurt, thanks for asking."

I'm completely aware of how this evidence is going to ruffle people's beliefs, hence the spirits requesting church assistance in the first place. I know that my story is so crazy that it wouldn't even make a good read, being way too bizzare, but it's happened, and it's on-going.
 
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flaccon said:
Sorry Adman, I know what I witnessed,
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If you are immune from being fooled by your own senses, then congratulations! You are the first human being EVER with this ability!

Forget about winning prize money. You can make a fortune hiring yourself out to calibrate sensitive instruments and such. Or you could be the world's highest paid notary public. I don't know, there's got to be a lucrative practical application for that! It's a bona fide SUPER POWER!!

Personally, I think it's far more likely that you simply believe you can't be fooled, since that's very common and the other thing is unheard of.
 
flaccon said:
I prefer the more hands-on approach, nothing suspicious about that. I don't feel comfortable sending anything through here but I shall contact Chester sceptics here, and then ASKE. I drive, so local travel is not a problem. Any information I've tapped out here, is enough said really, it's time to leave the machine alone and act.

The member who told me that he/she has good sound speakers, let me have your email addy, I can post you a file, there's over a thousand files of similar content.

Anything I haven't replied to, isn't out of ignorance, just newness. After information I received from this site, thanks, especially for "Audacity" I've a couple of amendments to make tonight, off to Liverpool tomorrow to have Mr Bulger's voice confirmed, then its systems go.
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You keep not answering the question about the sequence of events, and the implications of it.

If you are recording before you ask the question, which is what you seem to be saying, then is the answer recorded, or are the spirits using the playback in order to be heard?
 
flaccon said:
They say "We don't belong in a circus" (that was raw EVP, electronic rather than with tone) One suggested I make flash cards for sceptics. Yes they really do express hurt.
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I would not put a delicate relationship at risk just to prove a point to a bunch of people I don't know.
 
aggle-rithm said:
If you are immune from being fooled by your own senses, then congratulations! You are the first human being EVER with this ability!

Forget about winning prize money. You can make a fortune hiring yourself out to calibrate sensitive instruments and such. Or you could be the world's highest paid notary public. I don't know, there's got to be a lucrative practical application for that! It's a bona fide SUPER POWER!!

Personally, I think it's far more likely that you simply believe you can't be fooled, since that's very common and the other thing is unheard of.
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Just because this has never happened before, doesn't mean to say it never will happen. I'm hopeful.
Edit; Good observation, the spirits are telling me what to claim, but seriously, I feel stupid enough. :s
 
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zooterkin said:
You keep not answering the question about the sequence of events, and the implications of it.

If you are recording before you ask the question, which is what you seem to be saying, then is the answer recorded, or are the spirits using the playback in order to be heard?
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Yes the replies stay on the recording. I'm not certain exactly how it works, but that's the test I did a few times.
 
bluesjnr said:
Flaccon, you've been around a couple of days now, you've been given details of a local group who will help test your claim. Have you contacted them? If not, why not?

You have been given guidance in how to complete a self test. Have you conducted this test? If not, why not?

You have offered to send one, some or all of the the recordings to posters on this thread (I'd like to hear them). Have you sent any? If not, why not?
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Yet you continue to ignore me!

This is the third time of asking.....................................................................................................................................
 
flaccon said:
They say "We don't belong in a circus" (that was raw EVP, electronic rather than with tone) One suggested I make flash cards for sceptics. Yes they really do express hurt, thanks for asking."

I'm completely aware of how this evidence is going to ruffle people's beliefs, hence the spirits requesting church assistance in the first place. I know that my story is so crazy that it wouldn't even make a good read, being way too bizzare, but it's happened, and it's on-going.
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flaccon, please see my "pre-ply" to this post at post #145. Basically if the spirits refuse to be tested and we must accept their message on faith alone, then I think you are stuck right where you are.

If their messages are so unimportant that they can relax and wait until technology catches up with them so we can all hear their messages, then we can all easily relax and wait.

Ward
 
Weak Kitten said:
I'm glad to see that everyone is thinking about this claim and how to work with it. Don't be discouraged, Flaccon, if people seem a bit testy at times. They have seen many astonishing claims in the past that have disappeared the moment they tried to actually get the claimant to place any scientific controls on the situation. After a while it becomes quite frustrating and claimants often become rude and abusive in their language before storming off in a huff. I am not saying that you are any of these things but bear this in mind when working with people on these forums.

As a project for yourself I think you need to contemplate a very dificult question. This is a question that every scientist must ask themselves at some point in their research. That question is, "What would I need to do to prove my hypothesis wrong?"

What evidence, what proof, would you need to demonstrate to yourself that these voices are a trick of perception? What experiment can you set up whose outcome would prove to you that these are not spirit voices?

Think it over, there is no rush. Many on this forum can give you examples of the sorts of experiments you might try but only you can decide what evidence would convince you.
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I really don't take anything personal with this, It's not personal. I do understand that we all have Pareodila, and I have tested enough to know that I'm dealing with genuine spirits, "safe" spirits.

Ideally I'd like to set up a small group of people, each holding a different belief, and let them chat to the spirits, to see if each participant, arrives at the same conclusion as I do.
 
flaccon said:
it would be good to find a sceptic here that lives a little closer. If you do know of a sceptic living closer, who is willing to hear out the spirits here, I'd be happy to cooperate.
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Flaccon, I'm a sceptic and I live a lot closer. Why not pm me? I'd be happy to call round and help you try out some of the suggestions here
 
Alderbank said:
Flaccon, I'm a sceptic and I live a lot closer. Why not pm me? I'd be happy to call round and help you try out some of the suggestions here
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Welcome Alderbank,

Thanks for stepping in to help. If it all works out between you and flaccon, please keep us in the loop. We can have the vicarious thrill of experimentation and discovery and some pretty good ideas come out of this forum that you might find helpful.

Again, thanks for stepping up.

Ward
 
wardenclyffe said:
Welcome Alderbank,

Thanks for stepping in to help. If it all works out between you and flaccon, please keep us in the loop. We can have the vicarious thrill of experimentation and discovery and some pretty good ideas come out of this forum that you might find helpful.

Again, thanks for stepping up.

Ward
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Seconded. :)
 
bluesjnr said:
Yet you continue to ignore me!

This is the third time of asking.....................................................................................................................................
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I did reply blue? maybe in different replies to other members. I thought maybe some of that would answer your questions?

I don't mean to ignore, your questions take time to deal with, i.e, set up a meet.
 
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Excellent,looks like Alderbank has volunteered. It also looks like we also have some ideas for rough tests we can run. If anyone else is in the area can they go too? I'm sure Alderbank could use a second set of eyes to help out with observation.
 
wardenclyffe said:
flaccon, please see my "pre-ply" to this post at post #145. Basically if the spirits refuse to be tested and we must accept their message on faith alone, then I think you are stuck right where you are.

If their messages are so unimportant that they can relax and wait until technology catches up with them so we can all hear their messages, then we can all easily relax and wait.

Ward
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They are willing to speak with anyone, I just don't like testing them alone like that when they know "I know" they are there. One only has to spend a short while with them to realise its very worthy of an investigation.
 
Weak Kitten said:
Excellent,looks like Alderbank has volunteered. It also looks like we also have some ideas for rough tests we can run. If anyone else is in the area can they go too? I'm sure Alderbank could use a second set of eyes to help out with observation.
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This is what I've waited for, for 7 months. It's only the spirits that wanted the more private route. Understandable. The spirits are not in the least shy, more desperate to communicate and start business from what I glean.

If Alderbank came with another, that would be a good thing also.
 
Weak Kitten said:
Excellent,looks like Alderbank has volunteered. It also looks like we also have some ideas for rough tests we can run. If anyone else is in the area can they go too? I'm sure Alderbank could use a second set of eyes to help out with observation.
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Definitely. I spoke with a witness before who says he will travel down, it has to be a Sunday, and I can only pray this day is acceptable, otherwise I pay the witness a days wage, as well help with fuel costs.
 
marplots said:
I would not put a delicate relationship at risk just to prove a point to a bunch of people I don't know.
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You are right, but risks have to be taken world wide, and have to start somewhere. I don't think the spirits will disappoint :)
 
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