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Stacko said:
To be fair she started a Kickstarter with a goal of $6,000 to make 12 videos 10-20 minutes in length regarding common tropes used in video games that are negative portrayals of women. The only reason it reached $150,000 is backlash against the amount of vitriol that was being thrown at her for daring to do such a thing.
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It didn't help that her announcement video just happened to have comments enabled and didn't require approval so intellectually stunted people and trolls could post tons of vitriol that she could then exploit to get more support for her video thing.
 
Dinwar said:
Personally, I find them indicative of larger trends withiin atheism/skepticism, rather than being a threat to the movements. Their forum is different only in scale, not in kind, from some things I've seen on this forum.
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Well, I hope you reported those things when you saw them. A+-style bullying tactics are most likely outside the MA here.
 
Wildy said:
It didn't help that her announcement video just happened to have comments enabled and didn't require approval so intellectually stunted people and trolls could post tons of vitriol that she could then exploit to get more support for her video thing.
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I agree. One comment I made is that I'm glad she made the videos because it's good discussion to be having. It's just disappointing that she won't allow us to have it on her page or beneath the video.
 
jhunter1163 said:
Well, I hope you reported those things when you saw them. A+-style bullying tactics are most likely outside the MA here.
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I tend to only report the most egregious offenses. I figure we're all (most likely) adults here, and we should at least try to get along without running to Mommy and Daddy every time someone hurts our feewings.

And it's not really the tactics that I find disturbing--I've been on the net long enough to understand that people are jerks. It's the mentality. There are certain beliefs that some atheists consider unquestionable, and they react in a manner tha can only be described as zealously when they are questioned. This is a rather strange and disturbing phenomenon among people who argue (as many of the posters in question have) that without religion there'd be no zealotry or dogma.

squealpiggy said:
One comment I made is that I'm glad she made the videos because it's good discussion to be having.
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Like I said before, I find the nature of the discussion weird. It's not like this is a new topic, or one that hasn't been addressed numerous times before. Errant Signal, Extra Credits, Game Overthinker, even Zero Punctuation have discussed it. Shamus has done so numerous times. Pretty much every video game commenter discusses it, most without the controversy that this other commenter has generated. It seems very clear that the discussion isn't what's important here, the controversy is.
 
Dinwar said:
Personally, I find them indicative of larger trends withiin atheism/skepticism, rather than being a threat to the movements. Their forum is different only in scale, not in kind, from some things I've seen on this forum.
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Can you please elaborate? I'm not sure I disagree with you, but you was very short in words there.
 
Dinwar said:
There are certain beliefs that some atheists consider unquestionable, and they react in a manner tha can only be described as zealously when they are questioned. This is a rather strange and disturbing phenomenon among people who argue (as many of the posters in question have) that without religion there'd be no zealotry or dogma.
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Actually I'm not aware of anyone who has said that. Not even any of the gnus has said it.
 
Dinwar said:
I tend to only report the most egregious offenses. I figure we're all (most likely) adults here, and we should at least try to get along without running to Mommy and Daddy every time someone hurts our feewings.

And it's not really the tactics that I find disturbing--I've been on the net long enough to understand that people are jerks. It's the mentality. There are certain beliefs that some atheists consider unquestionable, and they react in a manner tha can only be described as zealously when they are questioned. This is a rather strange and disturbing phenomenon among people who argue (as many of the posters in question have) that without religion there'd be no zealotry or dogma.
Like I said before, I find the nature of the discussion weird. It's not like this is a new topic, or one that hasn't been addressed numerous times before. Errant Signal, Extra Credits, Game Overthinker, even Zero Punctuation have discussed it. Shamus has done so numerous times. Pretty much every video game commenter discusses it, most without the controversy that this other commenter has generated. It seems very clear that the discussion isn't what's important here, the controversy is.
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This thread proves that wrong.
 
Humes fork said:
Can you please elaborate? I'm not sure I disagree with you, but you was very short in words there.
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I'm sorry, but I honestly can't take this request seriously. Look up the threads that ANTPogo and I were in about a month or two ago.
 
In their Tropes vs Women thread I think they hit on something that a lot of people don't like about the videos. They are "educational". She is giving a general overview for the stupid masses (I think ceepolk had a more elitist way of phrasing it). She is not proposing things like one would in normal discussion or debate, where she would have to establish things, back them up, and refute counter-arguements, but rather is giving a cursory soapbox.
 
Dinwar said:
It's the mentality. There are certain beliefs that some atheists consider unquestionable, and they react in a manner tha can only be described as zealously when they are questioned.
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Assuming for a moment this is true, no one is disciplined for their beliefs. More importantly, we are not remotely monolithic. I've debated with people in this thread who at the moment I agree with.

If I had to venture a guess you are suffering from confirmation bias. You see what you want to see. Sure, I have it also but I recognize it and so does James Randi and the forum management. No one's opinion is above any other opinion. Anyone can start a thread and anyone can propagate anything they wish. There are no reeducation camps here. There is no presumption of the truth. Each person is responsible for their own conduct and not judged by their beliefs.

Having complained about moderators before I'm happy to admit that they have biases also, but their job is to look past their bias and make a simple determination if someone is following the rules. Follow the rules and you are free to discuss anything you like. If a moderator acts in a way that is not in keeping with that then file for an appeal. You will be treated fairly. Something that can't be said for A+.
 
RandFan said:
Assuming for a moment this is true, no one is disciplined for their beliefs.
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I did not say that it was JREF policy. I said that it was something I've observed among some of the JREF members. Therefore the lack of official sanctions is irrelevant. Since the rest of your post is based on the erroneous premise in the quoted text above, it is likewise irrelevant to the point I was making.
 
Dinwar said:
I said that it was something I've observed among some of the JREF members.
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Well you went from the mentality to some. Tell me a forum that doesn't have some people with a mentality you don't like? If that is your case then the post I responded to is just a tautalogy. Of course there are certain kinds of "mentalities" among some members of every forum.

What does that have to do with the JREF if it isn't the mentality.

One last thing, I never claimed that you said it was JREF policy.
 
tsig said:
So they don't want to talk to you but you want to talk about them.

Obsession is a word that comes to mind.
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Yeah, just like with 9-11 Truthers and psychics. I guess skeptics are obsessed with a lot of things.
 
Anyone here still active over there and willing to question one of the holy of holies?

A poster asked if it was okay to repeat stuff from her FB page or would it be considered spamming.

Submor commented that since many members weren't on FB, it's probably not spamming and would be okay. But then he added that they'd probably only consider it spamming if someone was to simply show up from time to time to promote their site or blog.

YEMMYnisting does just that. But Yemmy's a FTB good guy, a POC, and a noted activist, so I guess that's okay, right?
 
Foolmewunz said:
Anyone here still active over there and willing to question one of the holy of holies?

A poster asked if it was okay to repeat stuff from her FB page or would it be considered spamming.

Submor commented that since many members weren't on FB, it's probably not spamming and would be okay. But then he added that they'd probably only consider it spamming if someone was to simply show up from time to time to promote their site or blog.

YEMMYnisting does just that. But Yemmy's a FTB good guy, a POC, and a noted activist, so I guess that's okay, right?
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Sure, the calculus is simple. Tow the party line, and have in-crowd membership, and you can do whatever you want. Question the party line, and the rules can be bent, if needed, to eliminate you. It's really law of the jungle dressed up in SJ clothes.
 
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