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Many psychic detectives wrongly "see" dead victims

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Many of the media's current crop of "psychic detectives" have informed clients seeking missing persons that those they sought were dead --- only to later have the persons be found alive.

Super exaggerator "psychic" Noreen Renier told reporter Luisa Yanez with the [Florida] Sun Sentinel in Miami that "I don't like to make statements that someone is dead [because] in another case I said the body would be found and it was, but the girl was still alive, so I don't like to make predictions." Amazingly Noreen Renier has also repeatedly indicated missing persons were alive when in fact they were dead. A federal judge ruled Noreen Renier "not credible" in 2011 and four other federal judges have since agreed with that court judgment.

Fellow "87% of the time I'm right" psychic detective Laurie McQuary described the brutal murder of a young girl in a photo. Yet Laurie McQuary didn't even recognize she was sitting with the very murder victim she was describing when reporter Lisa Guerrero quizzed her on the CBS produced Inside Edition series.

A string of paranormal forensic 'psychic investigators' including Bee Herz, Pam Coronado, Kathy Fleinwall, Carla Baron, and Nancy Weber all surround themselves with apparently delusional paranormal skill and success rates well above chance --- and exaggerated police agency involvement by "super psychics" during missing children investigations. Yet not even a single state police agency sanctions their unproductive forecasts after decades of publicity seeking from seemingly endless delusional persons claiming psychic powers.
 
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Sherlock said:
Fellow "87% of the time I'm right" psychic detective Laurie McQuary described the brutal murder of a young girl in a photo. Yet Laurie McQuary didn't even recognize she was sitting with the very murder victim she was describing when reporter Lisa Guerrero quizzed her on the CBS produced Inside Edition series.
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I was unaware of this one. Thanks for the heads up.
 
It's only to be expected. Dead people all like alike to the living. ;)
 
Con arists

Just to state the most obvious fact.
ANYONE claiming to be psychic is in one, or both, of only two states.

1) A CON ARTIST.

2) MENTALLY UNWELL.

Join the campaign to change the stupid, highly ambiguous laws which actually condone LEGALISED THEFT!

Email your M.P. (or gov rep) and request the issue be raised in parliament.
 
Amazing 4-minute video on Laurie McQuary, plus others

For those of you who missed the Inside Edition sting investigation coverage on Oregon's psychic intuitive Laurie McQuary, the four-minute video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IErIDQJc9JE

And additional info on Laurie McQuary's delusional claims and/or exaggerations and spin see
http://gpinquirygroup.com/gpinquirygroup/OregonPolicePsychic.htm
And a historical blitz covering psychic detectives is posted at http://gpinquirygroup.com/gpinquirygroup/Psychic%20whistle-blower%20overview.html which includes former psychics now turned whistle-blowers.
Want to add something to the last two sites? Send it to amindformurder@gmail.com
 
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TheFamousCash said:
Just to state the most obvious fact.
ANYONE claiming to be psychic is in one, or both, of only two states.

1) A CON ARTIST.

2) MENTALLY UNWELL.

Join the campaign to change the stupid, highly ambiguous laws which actually condone LEGALISED THEFT!

Email your M.P. (or gov rep) and request the issue be raised in parliament.
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Bingo
 
TheFamousCash said:
Just to state the most obvious fact.
ANYONE claiming to be psychic is in one, or both, of only two states.

1) A CON ARTIST.

2) MENTALLY UNWELL.
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3) SANE, BUT EXPERIENCING SELF-DECEPTION.

The distinction being that a person in sound mind can still delude themselves into thinking they have these non-existent abilities by a combination of wishful thinking, confirmation bias, etc.
 
Sherlock said:
For those of you who missed the Inside Edition sting investigation coverage on Oregon's psychic intuitive Laurie McQuary, the four-minute video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IErIDQJc9JE
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The only thing I didn't like about this is that they approached her with the assumption that she was a con artist. It's possible she really believes she has magic powers, and has just never had them tested before. I would have liked to see them ask her something like, "Will this experience make you re-evaluate your belief in your abilities?" As it was, the accusatory approach just made her get defensive and bolt.
 
aggle-rithm said:
"Will this experience make you re-evaluate your belief in your abilities?" As it was, the accusatory approach just made her get defensive and bolt.
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Deb Webber, a self-professed NZ psychic (and participant in a NZ TV program Sensing Murder) was asked such a question after a similar sting and her reply was that she helped more people than she hurt and she had no doubt she was indeed psychic.

I'm trying to find the you tube link.
 

Maybe this. Though it might be a bit more accusatory than I recalled.
 
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Many? How about all. And I would say that virtually all of them are con artists as well. Nobody with half a conscience would do what these leeches do. They are too methodical, organized, driven, purpose-oriented, and profit-motivated to be merely self-deluded. Dowsers are self-deluded. They do one thing over and over and their schtick is not very complicated. "Psychic detectives" are no more self-deluded than Kevin Trudeau. Is there one single example of a "psychic detective" who operated as the ones described in the OP for decades and then one day woke up and said, "Wow, I really believed was able to do this, but apparently I've wrong all these years, and I have no ability at all"? Has this ever happened?
 
Sherlock said:
For those of you who missed the Inside Edition sting investigation coverage on Oregon's psychic intuitive Laurie McQuary, the four-minute video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IErIDQJc9JE
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McQuary's reaction to the interviewer revealing that the picture of the girl is actually that of the interviewer herself:

"You didn't disappear?"

Priceless.
 
Sherlock said:
Under pressure of law and legal officials a few have become whistle blowers on the psychic community. See http://gpinquirygroup.com/gpinquirygroup/Psychic%20whistle-blower%20overview.html beginning about 1/4 down and through the end.
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I like this little tid-bit of trivia...

But today the real story is that the use of trained dogs offers less cost per case, far reduced and limited legal liabilities, virtually no overturned convictions, and a documented history of solving crimes and obtaining actual court convictions --- about 572,000 to 1 over missing person psychic detectives.

Compared with the top ten psychic detectives over the past 30 years police dogs hold an approximate 85,000 to 1 chance of finding a missing person alive over the psychics and a 640,000 to 1 chance of finding a missing person dead or alive more than a year before these psychics --- even on cases up to 30 years old!
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I suspect in most of these cases that the missing person will either be dead or a runaway who will never come back, so the "psychic" can state that so and so is dead and usually won't be proven wrong.
 
aggle-rithm said:
The only thing I didn't like about this is that they approached her with the assumption that she was a con artist. It's possible she really believes she has magic powers, and has just never had them tested before. I would have liked to see them ask her something like, "Will this experience make you re-evaluate your belief in your abilities?" As it was, the accusatory approach just made her get defensive and bolt.
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Well, I agree that your suggested approach would have been far better...but I don't agree that she really believes she has magic powers. If she did, why would she charge $400 for a reading? It doesn't cost her anything to summon her powers-not financially, not physically, not emotionally.

A missing person or murder case is very different from, say, merely trying to help someone contact their deceased loved one (operating under the premise that psychic ability is real). These are families in agony. If there's money to be had in mundane cases, and there obviously is, then even those psychics looking for a profit could build a tidy living from such cases and then donate their abilities to missing person/murder cases.

But they never, ever do.

Would they even be there if not for the cash (and, possibly, any attendant publicity)? It's not as if a fee requirement separates the wheat from the chaff.

And $400? That's not chump change. Why that much? I could see, at the most, requesting a nominal amount to cover expenses, especially if they have to travel a good distance, but that doesn't appear to be the case in this example.

When that mercenary element comes into play, it casts doubt in my mind automatically. Even when I try to allow for self delusion, it always comes back to the fact that they are looking to profit from grief.

My grandmother was Highland Scots, and she really believed she had some kind of second sight. In retrospect, I think she did have well developed intuition, from life experience and being observant, but that was all. But she was raised with belief in second sight, based on Scottish lore, so that's what she called it. But she never offered to read for people, and it would never have crossed her mind to charge for it, or harangue the police to hire her for criminal cases. If she had a "flash" when talking to someone (and it was always a feeling, not a "vision" or hearing a dead person whisper in her ear), she would sometimes tell them what she felt, depending on whether it would distress them or not. But that was it. It really, for the most part, made her uncomfortable, especially if she intuited something distressing. I can guarantee, though, if she had known someone with a missing person in their family, and they asked for help, she a) wouldn't have lied to them and pretended to know something she didn't, or b) charged them money for it before she said anything at all.

That, to me, is an example of someone who truly believes they have some kind of psychic power. The ones who are "money first, prophecy second"...not so much.
 
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