Proof of Life After Death!!

[Robin1]

I agree that education would be good. I would have hoped you meant educating people how these charlatans trick people though.

I think he does already reach as many people as he can. presumably as long as they have got their cash ready though.



Years ago a friend went to see a clairvoyant and taped the sitting. She was really impressed with what the "psychic" told her. She couldn't understand how the "psychic" new the stuff she told her. When she listened to the tape though our friend realised that she had given her all the clues herself. That's what cold reading is all about. If some "Psychics" don't let people record the sittings then that is why.


She couldn't get away with saying any of that because that is not what she told the victims mother. She told her she was dead. The only people who could buy such nonsense as misinterpreting symbols is people who desperately want to believe this rubbish.

Yes, when I said education, that would most importantly (but not only) include educating people about the ways fake psychics and psychic mediums can try to trick people.

As far as the cash goes, I would still charge you extra. And your rate increases every time you disagree with me.

As far as taping, ironically, ALL the fake psychics and psychic mediums (even well known ones) I have been to had absolutely NO problem with me taping the travesty. I never even had to listen to any of the tapes to discover they were fakes. Precisely because I was so aware, and educated about the possible ways fakes try to trick people etc.

And lastly, with regard to my statement about a way Sylvia could attempt to justify her bogus reading, I was just being facetious. But yes, even though it was ridiculous, some people may have bought it. Didn't a cousin of Amanda Berry express her continued support of Sylvia Browne? Or was that just what Sylvia Browne claims happened?

 

[desertgal]

<snip> Precisely because I was so aware, and educated about the possible ways fakes try to trick people etc. <snip>

Right.

 

[Pixel42]

As far as taping, ironically, ALL the fake psychics and psychic mediums (even well known ones) I have been to had absolutely NO problem with me taping the travesty.

So presumably you also taped the John Edward session you were so impressed by? So why haven't you posted it, or a transcript of it?

 

[John Jones]

I never said this stuff couldn't be dangerous. I've said the opposite.

[woo-woo snipped!]

Oops! There's nothing left!

 

[dlorde]

As far as taping, ironically, ALL the fake psychics and psychic mediums (even well known ones) I have been to had absolutely NO problem with me taping the travesty.

So presumably you also taped the John Edward session you were so impressed by? So why haven't you posted it, or a transcript of it?

Still waiting for an answer to Pixel's question.

Oh wait - you could wriggle out of it explain it by saying that since you tape 'ALL the fake psychics and psychic mediums (even well known ones)', the ones you didn't tape must, therefore, not be fakes! QED - that proves John Edward really is a true psychic...

Ain't logic wonderful?

Apart from that little joke, will you give us an answer Robin?

 

[desertgal]

Still waiting for an answer to Pixel's question.

Oh wait - you could wriggle out of it explain it by saying that since you tape 'ALL the fake psychics and psychic mediums (even well known ones)', the ones you didn't tape must, therefore, not be fakes! QED - that proves John Edward really is a true psychic...

Ain't logic wonderful?

Apart from that little joke, will you give us an answer Robin?

She already set up the answer. John Edward wouldn't allow her to tape their session. Only fake psychics allow themselves to be taped. Thus...

 

[AdMan]

I know what you meant. And I think you are better than that.

You believe that at least one "psychic" is real, correct?

Can I ask what you are doing in a thread discussing a clearly fraudulent psychic?

Serious question.

 

[Robin1]

You believe that at least one "psychic" is real, correct?

Can I ask what you are doing in a thread discussing a clearly fraudulent psychic?

Serious question.

All aspects of the subject of mediums fascinates me. How and why people are fooled by fake mediums also fascinates me ( yes, I know your irony meter is exploding). If I see a thread, or an article, or a book etc. about the subject you better believe I am reading it.

I am also outraged by hurtful fake mediums such as Sylvia Browne.

I think this horrific case presents a perfect opportunity to educate and warn the public about all aspects of fake psychics and psychic mediums including how not to be fooled by them etc.

However, I do not believe saying EVERY medium is a fake should be part of that education.

All of the above, is why I am here.

 

[Pixel42]

I do not believe saying EVERY medium is a fake should be part of that education.

Do you believe that explaining why the only reliable evidence that a psychic is genuine is that provided by carefully blinded testing, that such testing is easy to set up, and that John Edward (like every other well known self proclaimed psychic) has steadfastly refused to submit to such testing should be part of that education?

 

[Robin1]

Do you believe that explaining why the only reliable evidence that a psychic is genuine is that provided by carefully blinded testing, that such testing is easy to set up, and that John Edward (like every other well known self proclaimed psychic) has steadfastly refused to submit to such testing should be part of that education?

No.

 

[Pixel42]

No.

Then this

I think this horrific case presents a perfect opportunity to educate and warn the public about all aspects of fake psychics and psychic mediums including how not to be fooled by them etc.

is not true.

The only way not to be fooled by them is to ensure that all the ways in which they could be fooling you are eliminated, which requires properly controlled and blinded scientific testing. Any so-called psychic who refuses to submit to such testing is essentially admitting that they are a fraud.

 

[Robin1]

Then this


is not true.

The only way not to be fooled by them is to ensure that all the ways in which they could be fooling you are eliminated, which requires properly controlled and blinded scientific testing. Any so-called psychic who refuses to submit to such testing is essentially admitting that they are a fraud.

Let me elaborate... It should not be included in the education because it is NOT true.

Pixel, you have been involved in this conversation with me before on other threads.

It has been discussed ad nauseum.

It has been discussed to death (good one, right?)

We will never agree.

That's OK.

 

[Robin1]

Now that we have unanimously concluded Sylvia Browne is a fake, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say her nails are too!!

 

[Pixel42]

Let me elaborate... It should not be included in the education because it is NOT true.

It is true.

Pixel, you have been involved in this conversation with me before on other threads.

It has been discussed ad nauseum.

It has indeed. It has been explained to you ad nauseum why blinded testing is the only reliable evidence and it has been pointed out ad nauseum that Edward has never submitted to such testing (and no, Schwartz's "experiments" do not qualify). The fact that you refuse to accept it does not make it any less true.

 

[greybeard]

Now that we have unanimously concluded Sylvia Browne is a fake, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say her nails are too!!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if Sylvia Browne is a fake even though to some people she can do wrong, then I can conclude that all of these show business psychics like john Edward are the same. Until they provide some proof. Until then you are just the same as all the other psychic fans who seem to want to be conned.
That may sound harsh but this is a sceptic forum. If you want to be with like minded people then it might be better to stick to forums where people don't question their beliefs. I truly hope you stick around though.

 

[Robin1]

It is true.


It has indeed. It has been explained to you ad nauseum why blinded testing is the only reliable evidence and it has been pointed out ad nauseum that Edward has never submitted to such testing (and no, Schwartz's "experiments" do not qualify). The fact that you refuse to accept it does not make it any less true.

Can we at least agree my "it has been discussed to death" joke was funny?

 

[Pixel42]

Can we at least agree my "it has been discussed to death" joke was funny?

Sorry, didn't even raise a smile.

This, however ...

are you afraid my presence here might actually make some people stop and rethink their beliefs?

... made me laugh out loud, so thanks for that.

 

[Robin1]

Sorry, didn't even raise a smile.

This, however ...



... made me laugh out loud, so thanks for that.

Tough crowd.

 

[desertgal]

Let me elaborate... It should not be included in the education because it is NOT true.

In what way is it false?

 

[Robin1]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if Sylvia Browne is a fake even though to some people she can do wrong, then I can conclude that all of these show business psychics like john Edward are the same. Until they provide some proof. Until then you are just the same as all the other psychic fans who seem to want to be conned.
That may sound harsh but this is a sceptic forum. If you want to be with like minded people then it might be better to stick to forums where people don't question their beliefs. I truly hope you stick around though.

Greybeard, the proof is the unknowable, specific, personal, unique things that JE comes up with. And he does that repeatedly.

Exactly like my new refrigerator and my brother's Valerie Harper connection...which were specifically directed to each of us...not the entire room. And, the big tooth in the pocket was a biggie even though that was directed to about 38 people.

That being said, I am not the best writer in terms of getting across my points.
The article below explains EXACTLY why I believe JE is real...and it does it better than I ever could.

If you read it and still cannot see why I believe what I believe then you never will.
And that's OK with me.

However, it is not OK with me when people profess to all who will listen that they know for sure EVERY medium is a fake. Because they are dead wrong. And that could end up hurting someone.

http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/some-thoughts-on-john-edwar.html