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Proof of Life After Death!!

dlorde said:
Logic? Don't forget that these deceased people have difficulty remembering the first letter of their own names; one can't expect much more than vague Barnum statements about fridges or actresses.

Death appears to so damage one's faculties one can spout only useless drivel. We know that brain damage causes death, and - if JE & co are to be believed - we now have (weak, anecdotal) evidence that the reverse is true.

On the other hand, there have now been so many supposed messages from the dead, that, purely by chance, we might expect something really useful to have turned up in a message (buried treasure, hidden heirlooms, un-noticed disease, etc). Although I suppose one wouldn't expect this to be the case if the messages were crafted purely to sound convincing, but were necessarily valueless ;)
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Funny that. Kind of like how John Edward was on Larry King Live shortly before 9/11 and never mentioned it. You'd think at least ONE spirit there that night would have noted that being on Larry King Live was the ideal opportunity to get this warning out. Even if it was ignored the first time, if they did this often enough, it would stop being ignored, right? It's only logical.

But no. And the mediums claim it's karma. If we're meant to experience something, they won't be told about it. Made sense to me as a believer. Now I see how very convenient it is. They have been at this for over a century and it's hard to trip them up as they have this kind of answer for just about everything by now.

They, along with the psychics, can tell us we're going to change careers or that someone is going to get married. They can tell us not to ride in a red car next Tuesday, to go to the doctor to get our lungs checked. They can make predictions every year about various vague disasters - train accidents, an increase in earthquakes in California, even the death of the Pope - all without worrying about our karma (or about anyone bothering to follow up and check their accuracy).

So, the only time our karma is a factor is when it comes to telling us anything of import that will actually be proven when it happens - like to stay out of the Twin Towers on September 11 or avoid vacationing in the path of a tsunami or stay off flight # such and such where huge numbers of causalties will be involved.

Right.
 
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deaman said:
Yes, the dead have an intense fascination with kitchen appliances.
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And evidently they DON'T seem to care much about bombs going off at marathons, killing one child and two others, and injuring over 100 people, many quite brutally.

Unless one of these psychics or mediums announced a specific, non-vague warning about this yesterday and I missed it, on Twitter or Facebook maybe?

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Yeah, didn't think so.

What else to expect from a bunch of dead people who couldn't even be bothered to warn us about 9/11 when they had the chance on Larry King Live?

Appliances and a tooth. And even granting for a moment that it's important to communicate specifically with your loved ones on earth in a way that will convince them you're real.

Even granting that, what is the excuse for not having a warning session at the end of his shows, "As we wrap things up here tonight, let me just take another chance to warn you again about a major marathon held in April in the Eastern United States. They are showing me several bombs. They are also showing me that the individuals responsible are....I also need to warn you about a school on the East Coast by the name of....A list of these very specific warnings with more information can be found on my web site."

Right. Posted in angry red letters on his web site for all to see. Just like they are on JVP's. And Sylvia Browne's.
 
Yeah, I'm waiting for a bunch of these cork sniffers to come out of the woodwork now and say "oooh, I predicted the bombings at the marathon, you just missed it."

Can Edward contact the Dead of Dunharrow or somebody and find out who the motherhubbard was who placed those bombs? I'll wait here.

Edit: Oh, wait, somebody did predict it. Peter Griffin. Although even he needed some creative editing to make it work.
 
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I take back what I said above that there should have been ONE psychic or medium warning about this.

Because what you should reasonably be able to expect, if psychic ability were real, would be a whole slew of psychics and mediums on web sites and interviews, Facebook and Twitter, with warnings fairly specific.

If they can get that someone just bought a new refrigerator, and someone else has a big tooth in their pocket, they should be capable of the level of accuracy it should take to get a simple warning through ("they're showing me runners, like in a marathon, 2 explosions, the month of April, eastern United States").
 
ExMinister said:
("they're showing me runners, like in a marathon, 2 explosions, the month of April, eastern United States").
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Well, eventually you'd get there. Something like, "I'm getting something associated with the letter, R. A refrigerator, maybe. No, it's an event. Football. The Rams. Are they still a team? Race! Yes, NASCAR...." And so forth.
 
[credulous mode ON] Ah, but the spirits cannot see into the future! Or interfere with our free will to run in marathons which will be bombed! You're all being closed minded, just open your mind to the possibilities and you'll see that!

Well yes, the transcript does show all those wrong guesses and that it was actually me who gave the information about buying a snow globe to the psychic, but he knew I had been to the supermarket last week and you can't explain that, can you? Ha! [credulous mode OFF]
 
greybeard said:
This case just shows how dangerous this nonsense is Robin. All "clairvoyants" should receive nothing but our utmost condemnation. Sorry if this seems like a cheap shot to you. I believe you are a decent person but you are deluded if you think that God, if there is one, would allow anyone to make money out of communicating with the dead.
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I never said this stuff couldn't be dangerous. I've said the opposite. That is why education with regard to the subject is so important. As are critical thinking skills. And common sense.

As far as JE goes, if I had his gift I would also want to reach (help) as many people as I could. I would do exactly what he is doing. Except I would charge you more for calling me deluded.

And I would let people tape private sessions.

And I would make transcripts available for purchase to all other group sessions.

Yes, I did say available for purchase.

Now, let's please get back to Sylvia Browne...I thought of another way she could attempt to justify her bogus reading. Sylvia must have told Amanda's mom she would meet her daughter in heaven because her Mom was going to die first. And soon. So, her mom would not be on earth to meet Amanda when she was indeed found alive. Sylvia merely misinterpreted the symbols she was being shown.

 
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Robin1 said:
I never said this stuff couldn't be dangerous. I've said the opposite. That is why education with regard to the subject is so important. As are critical thinking skills. And common sense..
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I agree that education would be good. I would have hoped you meant educating people how these charlatans trick people though.
Robin1 said:
As far as JE goes, if I had his gift I would also want to reach (help) as many people as I could. I would do exactly what he is doing. Except I would charge you more for calling me deluded.
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I think he does already reach as many people as he can. presumably as long as they have got their cash ready though.

Robin1 said:
And I would let people tape private sessions.
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Years ago a friend went to see a clairvoyant and taped the sitting. She was really impressed with what the "psychic" told her. She couldn't understand how the "psychic" knew the stuff she told her. When she listened to the tape though our friend realised that she had given her all the clues herself. That's what cold reading is all about. If some "Psychics" don't let people record the sittings then that is why.
Robin1 said:
Now, let's please get back to Sylvia Browne...I thought of another way she could attempt to justify her bogus reading. Sylvia must have told Amanda's mom she would meet her daughter in heaven because her Mom was going to die first. And soon. So, her mom would not be on earth to meet Amanda when she was indeed found alive. Sylvia merely misinterpreted the symbols she was being shown.
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She couldn't get away with saying any of that because that is not what she told the victims mother. She told her she was dead. The only people who could buy such nonsense as misinterpreting symbols are the people who desperately want to believe this rubbish.
 
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