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Proof of Life After Death!!

ExMinister said:
Speaking of murder cases, not only that, but what could be more important than finding missing children?

The death of a child is unspeakably horrible, but a missing child, to my way of thinking, is even more horrifying.

What possible excuse do ANY of them have for not devoting 100% of their talents to work like this? For free?

They say it's just as important to provide comfort to the bereaved.

What a load of hooey.

If this type of gift were real, these gifted individuals would actually be able to bring the majority of murderers to justice and locate missing children and adults, and the bereaved would be more than comforted.
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These 'gifted' individuals are only interested in filling up their bank accounts.
 
OccamJr2 said:
After John requested that I stand up, which I was terrifyingly reluctant to do, the very first thing he asked of me was if I had a Valerie Harper connection.

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What I am absolutely convinced of is that John Edward could not in any earthly way have known or even guessed that three hours before, I had been sitting in my mother's kitchen waiting for S.J.C. to pick us up for the John Edward event and was mindlessly thumbing through the newspaper. I noticed there was an advertisement in the theatre section for Valerie Harper's new Broadway play, Looped, along with many other theatre ads highlighting various celebrities of the stage and screens, both large and small.

Since Ms. Harper had been a favorite of mine since her 1970s days starring on the sitcom, Rhoda, I immediately called my best friend and told him that we should coordinate a date and buy tickets. Please understand that this was just a conversation, an idea, and no tickets were ever purchased or charged that afternoon. My friend also had no clue I was attending a John Edward event later that evening because I knew that if I shared that with him, he would react as charitably as most of the posters on this site. It was simply an exciting item to add to my mental "to do" list. And it departed my immediate consciousness as soon as we left for the reading.
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I'm sure he couldn't have guessed that. But, then, he didn't say any of that, either. He said you had "a connection". Everything else is all your own work.
 
Foolmewunz said:
The closest any psychics come to "being tested" is in their claims of having solved crimes. As you know, though, it's usually worded as "worked with multiple law enforcement organizations in solving crimes" which, upon investigation, turns out to mean they phoned in a tip or were called back but never did a damned thing. Every single instance I've seen of these claims being investigated has shown that they had nothing to do with the solution.

Sylvia Browne's most infamous and repulsive failures were related to her trying to give spiritual leads in such real cases. I was always curious as to whether these were intentional wild guesses that she assumed would pass unnoticed if she was wrong (as usual), or if these charlatans sometimes get caught up in their own b.s. and actually go "delusional" every now and then. I think a strong case could be made for the latter.
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To be entirely fair, it is possible to find at least a couple of cases in which law enforcement either claims the psychic helped or refuses to deny it while apparently believing it but reluctant to admit it.

Late FBI Agent Gunderson is the most obvious though he has also been thoroughly discredited. I had a short email exchange with him myself some years ago when researching a case he claimed as proof of psychic ability. None of Gunderson's claims withstand scrutiny much as none of the psychics' claims withstand scrutiny, but since he was legitimately FBI, he is harder to dismiss.

In the same case I mentioned above the sheriff's department was reluctant to deny that the psychic had helped, and it seemed clear that their reluctance was due to fear of being ridiculed for belief. I can't recall the psychic's name, but the thread about it is on this forum somewhere.
 
Wouldn't it be better if instead of solving crimes, psychics instead prevented them? Like, let me go out on a limb here, finding missing children? Wouldn't that be a better use of a John Edward's time?

Wonder why the Missing Children's Network doesn't have a staff of psychics? To me, that's a serious puzzlement.
 
Resume said:
Wouldn't it be better if instead of solving crimes, psychics instead prevented them? Like, let me go out on a limb here, finding missing children? Wouldn't that be a better use of a John Edward's time?
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Is it not so that he only speaks with the dead? Fortunately, not all missing children are dead.
 
Resume said:
Wouldn't it be better if instead of solving crimes, psychics instead prevented them? Like, let me go out on a limb here, finding missing children? Wouldn't that be a better use of a John Edward's time?

Wonder why the Missing Children's Network doesn't have a staff of psychics? To me, that's a serious puzzlement.
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Any treasure hunting expedition should have a speaker for the dead, they'd be more valuable than all the hi tech gadgets. Dead men do tell tales.
 
steenkh said:
Is it not so that he only speaks with the dead? Fortunately, not all missing children are dead.
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This seems to be a good point, but I'm fairly certain he claims other "psychic abilities."

As I heard one of these folks say, not all psychics are mediums, but all mediums are psychic. Or in SB's case, large.
 
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So, I'm trying to verify some of the few facts that are actually verifiable with this case.

A trip through the wayback machine shows there were three publicized John Edward events in the time period in question.

Jan 26, 2010 at the New World Stages on W 50th St, NY, NY

March 17, 2010 at Oheka Castle in Huntington, NY

March 31, 2010 in East Rutherford, NJ

Was the event you both went to one of these? Or was it something else. I seem to recall Robin saying that there were only about 75 people there, which makes me wonder if this was a more private event.

Do either of you know the exact date, or theater?

Could you say the exact date you bought your refrigerator, Robin?

And OccamJr2, was the paper you saw from the same day as the show? Or might it have been the previous Sunday Times, or a different day?

Thanks very much.
 
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Garrette said:
To be entirely fair, it is possible to find at least a couple of cases in which law enforcement either claims the psychic helped or refuses to deny it while apparently believing it but reluctant to admit it.

Late FBI Agent Gunderson is the most obvious though he has also been thoroughly discredited. I had a short email exchange with him myself some years ago when researching a case he claimed as proof of psychic ability. None of Gunderson's claims withstand scrutiny much as none of the psychics' claims withstand scrutiny, but since he was legitimately FBI, he is harder to dismiss.

In the same case I mentioned above the sheriff's department was reluctant to deny that the psychic had helped, and it seemed clear that their reluctance was due to fear of being ridiculed for belief. I can't recall the psychic's name, but the thread about it is on this forum somewhere.
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One example is Dorothy Allison and some part of the NJ police department. She is photographed on the back of her book standing with them and there is a documentary (Nightline? Can't remember at the moment and got to get back to work) where they are willing to go on record to vouch for her.

She actually DID offer her services for free.

steenkh said:
Is it not so that he only speaks with the dead? Fortunately, not all missing children are dead.
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Anyway, not relevant, because missing children usually have deceased relatives. Would a deceased relative with a missing child in the family not be far more interested in contacting JE to help find the missing child? He says the deceased are always bothering him to give messages to people, even when he's relaxing. You'd think the ones with missing or murdered relatives would be among the loudest and would be given first dibs on JE's time by the rest of the deceased.

Am I not right? It's just not logical, that's all. If you think about it.
 
ExMinister said:
One example is Dorothy Allison and some part of the NJ police department. She is photographed on the back of her book standing with them and there is a documentary (Nightline? Can't remember at the moment and got to get back to work) where they are willing to go on record to vouch for her.

She actually DID offer her services for free.



Anyway, not relevant, because missing children usually have deceased relatives. Would a deceased relative with a missing child in the family not be far more interested in contacting JE to help find the missing child? He says the deceased are always bothering him to give messages to people, even when he's relaxing. You'd think the ones with missing or murdered relatives would be among the loudest and would be given first dibs on JE's time by the rest of the deceased.

Am I not right? It's just not logical, that's all. If you think about it.
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You have to jettison thought to make the leap of faith.
 
meg said:
So, I'm trying to verify some of the few facts that are actually verifiable with this case.


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And OccamJr2, was the paper you saw from the same day as the show? Or might it have been the previous Sunday Times, or a different day?

Thanks very much.
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Valerie Harper starred in "Looped," which ran at the Lyceum Theater from March 14 - April 11 of 2010. Previews started on February 19.
 
ExMinister said:
Would a deceased relative with a missing child in the family not be far more interested in contacting JE to help find the missing child? He says the deceased are always bothering him to give messages to people, even when he's relaxing. You'd think the ones with missing or murdered relatives would be among the loudest and would be given first dibs on JE's time by the rest of the deceased.

Am I not right? It's just not logical, that's all. If you think about it.
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Logic? Don't forget that these deceased people have difficulty remembering the first letter of their own names; one can't expect much more than vague Barnum statements about fridges or actresses.

Death appears to so damage one's faculties one can spout only useless drivel. We know that brain damage causes death, and - if JE & co are to be believed - we now have (weak, anecdotal) evidence that the reverse is true.

On the other hand, there have now been so many supposed messages from the dead, that, purely by chance, we might expect something really useful to have turned up in a message (buried treasure, hidden heirlooms, un-noticed disease, etc). Although I suppose one wouldn't expect this to be the case if the messages were crafted purely to sound convincing, but were necessarily valueless ;)
 
I'd be disappointed if a dead relative whispered to John Edward that I had a name with a "cl" sound. Because my name doesn't have that sound.
 
carlitos said:
I'd be disappointed if a dead relative whispered to John Edward that I had a name with a "cl" sound. Because my name doesn't have that sound.
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Unless you're willing to accept that in "Carlitos" a single sound, CL, has two other sounds between its parts, one of them a vowel and the other a consonant. Is that a clue?

Apparently dead people can't remember how to speak, let alone where they buried the valuables or who is responsible for their death.
 
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