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Piscivore said:
What is the asterix for?
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A footnote I deleted, amusingly enough about how Kochanski might say the same thing about economics.

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Cool, I can comment on every religion except Islam.
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You can comment on any religion you'd like. You just have to be aware that criticizing a marginalized group can contribute to societal norms that tolerate or encourage violence and discrimination against that group. Since I live in a country that has normalized discrimination and somewhat destigmatized violence against muslims or people seen as muslims, I'm going to be very careful to ensure any criticism of islam is targeted and accurate, and I'll speak out against people making generalized or inaccurate criticisms.

dasmiller said:
Oh, dear. It turns that, where I live, convicted sex offenders are sometimes subject to violence and discrimination, and they're certainly in the minority. Should I refrain from criticizing rape, pedophilia, sexual assault . . . ?
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I actually am uncomfortable with the vitriol I see against sex offenders, especially because the sex offender registries list covers such a wide range of offenses. Again, targeted and accurate criticism of horrible things is fine.

Humes fork said:
Just what books would A+ members recommend people to read?
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I've actually recently heard of this great book by Jonathan Haidt. :)
 
I think that Greta lacks the intestinal fortitude to handle the internet. For her own health, I would suggest she should disconnect.

If you can't take the trolling, then don't post blogs. Or learn how to use the delete button & get a thicker skin.

I don't mean to sound callous. I am sure it is frightening & appalling to receive the sorts of messages that she says she receives. But one of the neat things about the internet is that pricks are just as able to use it as nice people. And you do meet a few pricks while out and about. Deal with it. Or don't. But if it gets to be too much, sign off.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
It's right next door to Turkey, which is right next door to Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. The capital city of Armenia is closer to Mecca than New York is to Santa Cruz.
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I know where Armenia is. It's one of the Caucasian countries.

A quick session on google brings up plenty of pictures of Armenians and every one of their skin tones is darker than Ayatollah Khomeini's.
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Every one? Would you say that Ana Kasparian (of the Young Turks Youtube news thingy) or Anita Sarkeesian are brown?

So either they're brown, or Iranians aren't.
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Iran would have a rather ironic name then.

Or Khomeini wasn't a Muslim and Iran isn't a Muslim nation.
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I don't think it works like that.

Humes fork said:
Yes, they are an utter embarassment. Strange woos and faithies haven't capitalized on their existence.
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I don't think there's very much to capitalise on.

Three of the "big names" in A+ (Carrier, Myers, McCreight) have at various instances in the past made stabs at Islam. If ceepol got notice of that, would these three then get excommunicated?
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Possibly. It'd be interesting to find out what A+ now thinks of McCreight, given that she jumped ship long ago.

Just what books would A+ members recommend people to read? Anything by the for horsemen would be off, they are white males after all. Same goes for various skeptical classics. If I'm not mistaken Richard Carrier in one of his early posts complained that there was too much reading of books by white males. Presumably his own books shouldn't be read.
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Gail Dines? Andrea Dworkin?

Ibn Warraq's Why I Am Not a Muslim? Written by a brown person, yet criticizes brown people's religion.:boggled:
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He's allowed to criticise Islam because he was muslim (I believe).
 
qwints said:
Since I live in a country that has normalized discrimination and somewhat destigmatized violence against muslims or people seen as muslims, I'm going to be very careful to ensure any criticism of islam is targeted and accurate, and I'll speak out against people making generalized or inaccurate criticisms.
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Which is fine here, but not at A+, since you're not "brown".
 
qwints said:
I feel reasonably certain that a thread such as "evil quotes from the koran" consisting of people without a personal connection* to islam posting passages from the koran and explaining why they are evil would be locked on atheismplus. A basically identical one attacking the bible would probably not be, due to an assumption that the posters in the thread had a personal connection to christianity.
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Why are atheist ex-muslims being discriminated against from discussing their experiences, in a way that atheist ex-christians are not? How exactly is it being determined that posters have no personal connection to islam?

qwints said:
Assuming christians aren't subject to violence and discrimination for being christian where you live, and given that your country is nominally christian, i think there's a pretty clear difference.
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I was born in the heart of the Troubles, in Northern Ireland. How does that fit with your claim here? Because I grew up watching plenty of christians being discriminated against, kneecapped, murdered and vilified for their christian beliefs.
 
Lorentz said:
I'm not sure you're allowed to be making factual claims about Ayatollah Khomeini without having personally experienced him or being Iranian. However, until I know your skin colour, ethnicity, age, physical health and personal wealth I can't be sure that you're wrong.
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I lived in Iran for about 2 1/2 years. Does that mean I can talk about Iran, or does the fact that I lived in a privilaged part of Tehran mean I can't?

SJW logic is so hard to follow sometimes.
 
chillzero said:
I was born in the heart of the Troubles, in Northern Ireland. How does that fit with your claim here? Because I grew up watching plenty of christians being discriminated against, kneecapped, murdered and vilified for their christian beliefs.
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It doesn't count because in North America that never happened. Why should this make a difference? Because the A+ rules don't make sense.
 
squealpiggy said:
It doesn't count because in North America that never happened. Why should this make a difference? Because the A+ rules don't make sense.
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I beg to differ, if you tilt your head slightly to the left, squint real hard and apply large helpings of special pleading, ad hoc rationalizing and ad hominem then it will look as if it makes perfect sense.
 
chillzero said:
Why are atheist ex-muslims being discriminated against from discussing their experiences, in a way that atheist ex-christians are not? How exactly is it being determined that posters have no personal connection to islam?


I was born in the heart of the Troubles, in Northern Ireland. How does that fit with your claim here? Because I grew up watching plenty of christians being discriminated against, kneecapped, murdered and vilified for their christian beliefs.
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Actually, I believe I learned in this thread that we Irish/Irish descent folks aren't actually white by A+ standards, since there's a hx of Irish discrimination. That can't happen to white people, so we're now POC, even though you'd never know it by our skin color. So we can criticize brown religions all we want, since we're now one of them. Score!!
 
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