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[McHrozni]

oh well Caprilles thinks the irregularities would show up in the audit.

In an audit, which would include what I wrote above. In the audit pushed forward by the CNE, it wouldn't show. Which does give credence to very reasonable suspicion.

and sofar i have seen no evidence of those accusations.

I really couldn't care less. Evidence was presented and cited in links present in these threads. If you didn't make an effort to read about it it only demonstrates how low you'll sink to defend Maduro and his henchmen.

no you do not offend me, i was a conspiracy theorist myself for a while, i know what you are going through

You still are, actually. Refusing to look at evidence contradicting your pet theory is a hallmark of your kind.

McHrozni

 

[DC]

In an audit, which would include what I wrote above. In the audit pushed forward by the CNE, it wouldn't show. Which does give credence to very reasonable suspicion.

well it seems that Caprilles disagrees with you. atleast according to CNN.

I really couldn't care less. Evidence was presented and cited in links present in these threads. If you didn't make an effort to read about it it only demonstrates how low you'll sink to defend Maduro and his henchmen.

you posted a link to a newspaper article. in spanish. Do you consider newpaper reports as evidence?

You still are, actually. Refusing to look at evidence contradicting your pet theory is a hallmark of your kind.

McHrozni

what is my pet theory? we know what your conspiracy theory is, but what is my pet theory according to you?

 

[McHrozni]

well it seems that Caprilles disagrees with you. atleast according to CNN.

I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm talking about his apperance last night, where he spelled out exactly those demands.

you posted a link to a newspaper article. in spanish. Do you consider newpaper reports as evidence?

Certainly. This isn't a court of law, this should suffice. There were also a few interesting videos on CNN in other links I cited, including those of opposition witnesses who got locked out of voting centers prior to vote count. There is no legitemate reason to do that, the only reasonable explanation is that it was done to conceal vote fraud of one kind or another.

what is my pet theory? we know what your conspiracy theory is, but what is my pet theory according to you?

Your pet theory appears to be there is no credible evidence of wrongdoing in Venezuelan elections, by extent that Maduro won, and won fairly.

It's either that, or you're just trolling. I really can't tell which.

McHrozni

 

[DC]

I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm talking about his apperance last night, where he spelled out exactly those demands.



Certainly. This isn't a court of law, this should suffice. There were also a few interesting videos on CNN in other links I cited, including those of opposition witnesses who got locked out of voting centers prior to vote count. There is no legitemate reason to do that, the only reasonable explanation is that it was done to conceal vote fraud of one kind or another.



Your pet theory appears to be there is no credible evidence of wrongdoing in Venezuelan elections, by extent that Maduro won, and won fairly.

It's either that, or you're just trolling. I really can't tell which.

McHrozni

newspapers claim all kind of stuff. i gues AGW is not happening, Bush stole the election in 2000 and 2004 and fukushima radiation will kill us all.

there are many things in venezuela's elections that would be considered unfair in my country, but so does the US have things that would be considered unfair or even illegal in my country. and propably we have things that are considered unfair in other countries. etc etc. And accusations of voter fraud seems rather common in many south american elections. so i will need more than just a few newspaper articles and an interview with someone claiming to have been blocked from the voting center.

but some will accept everything as evidence as long it confirms their bias.

 

[McHrozni]

newspapers claim all kind of stuff. i gues AGW is not happening, Bush stole the election in 2000 and 2004 and fukushima radiation will kill us all.

Yes, all of the claims above are a result of identical line of "thought" to what you're doing in this thread.

there are many things in venezuela's elections that would be considered unfair in my country

Care to name of three of those things? I'm pretty sure I can find you and cite you the relevant laws or articles in the Venezuelan constitution that prove beoynd doubt those are grossly illegal in Venezuela as well. I suggest we start with abuse of public assets for campaign, do you agree those happened? Even the CNE does, do you?

but some will accept everything as evidence as long it confirms their bias.

Yup, some will. What is your pet theory, according to you, by the way? You never addressed that.

McHrozni

 

[DC]

Yes, all of the claims above are a result of identical line of "thought" to what you're doing in this thread.



Care to name of three of those things? I'm pretty sure I can find you and cite you the relevant laws or articles in the Venezuelan constitution that prove beoynd doubt those are grossly illegal in Venezuela as well. I suggest we start with abuse of public assets for campaign, do you agree those happened? Even the CNE does, do you?



Yup, some will. What is your pet theory, according to you, by the way? You never addressed that.

McHrozni

when did the CNE say this?

well my theory is that some people claim stolen election based on no evidence, merely on grounds of accusations.

 

[Watanabe]

I guarantee most people in USA do not even know who he is. Another fail.

You mean that most Americans are that ignorant?

You do.

Nay!
Just showing the hypocrisy of some right-wingeners..

How many do you personally know? How many Venezuelan colleagues or friends do you have?

I met a few of them, they were nice people and I respect their vote.
You should do the same.

 

[McHrozni]

when did the CNE say this?

Sometime before elections, I suspect.

Here are a few examples of propaganda using public resources for political gain, which is explicitly illegal.

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/trend-lines/506/photo-feature-ch-vezs-propaganda
http://venezuelablog.tumblr.com/pos...ng-venezuelas-electoral-playing-field-part-ii

well my theory is that some people claim stolen election based on no evidence, merely on grounds of accusations.

So ... video of count witnesses locked out of a center after election was what, exactly? Faked? A conspiracy by CNN to illegitimize Maduro outside of Venezuela?

McHrozni

 

[DC]

Sometime before elections, I suspect.

Here are a few examples of propaganda using public resources for political gain, which is explicitly illegal.

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/trend-lines/506/photo-feature-ch-vezs-propaganda
http://venezuelablog.tumblr.com/pos...ng-venezuelas-electoral-playing-field-part-ii



So ... video of count witnesses locked out of a center after election was what, exactly? Faked? A conspiracy by CNN to illegitimize Maduro outside of Venezuela?

McHrozni

neither of the 2 links support your claim about the CNE.
i think you did not read the second link.

i never said the interview is faked or so. why do you think so?
i know not enough about this case, nor is there anough information avaible to get a better picture of this incident. what ecavtly happened and what reason was given from official side etc etc?

 

[funk de fino]

You mean that most Americans are that ignorant?

Of International issues like this? Yes, Indeed. Your hatred and bias blinds you to the failure of your arguments.

 

[funk de fino]

neither of the 2 links support your claim about the CNE.
i think you did not read the second link.

i never said the interview is faked or so. why do you think so?
i know not enough about this case, nor is there anough information avaible to get a better picture of this incident. what ecavtly happened and what reason was given from official side etc etc?

Unfair elections are not just about vote rigging, and you seem to ignore that.

I thought your support of the idiots in Venezuela had lessened but it seems Uncle Hugo's demise has riled you up again? Nevermind, my colleagues and friends are more than happy he is gone.

 

[DC]

Unfair elections are not just about vote rigging, and you seem to ignore that.

I thought your support of the idiots in Venezuela had lessened but it seems Uncle Hugo's demise has riled you up again? Nevermind, my colleagues and friends are more than happy he is gone.

you think half the population of venezuela are idiots?

and as far i can see, vote rigging is exactly the claim being made by caprilles and mchrozni

 

[Watanabe]

Of International issues like this? Yes, Indeed

Well, they should not.
He was the leader of one of the biggest oil producing countries of the world, and he was voted in office two times (or was it three?)

Unfair elections are not just about vote rigging, and you seem to ignore that.

Elections results always have someone complaining.
The same happened in the US in 2000? Remember?
I cant see how elections in Venezuela can be seen as much different from other countries

 

[WildCat]

I cant see how elections in Venezuela can be seen as much different from other countries

You mean besides the whole suppression of opposition news media thing?

 

[Ziggurat]

I cant see how elections in Venezuela can be seen as much different from other countries

 

[funk de fino]

you think half the population of venezuela are idiots?

No, half of them have been bought and paid for or too uninformed to know better.

and as far i can see, vote rigging is exactly the claim being made by caprilles and mchrozni

And we all know your levels of evidence so waste of time mentioning it eh?

 

[funk de fino]

It is quite logical that Venezuelan may accept some limitations to their free press in exchange of being not a vassal state of the US.

I have seen some idiotic posts in my time. This is up there.

 

[DC]

No, half of them have been bought and paid for or too uninformed to know better.



And we all know your levels of evidence so waste of time mentioning it eh?

`LOL so they are all payd of or ignorant fools because they do not agree with your politics... yeah ok......

yeah caprilles making claims and a newspaper reporting those claims is not evidence in my book, but hey, if that is enough it takes to convince you, go ahead. tell us more about your conspiracy theory.

more and more you sound like a twoofer

 

[trustbutverify]

As I said, Venezuela is no threat to the US.
THe US is a threat to Venezuela and other South American countries.
It is quite logical that Venezuelan may accept some limitations to their free press in exchange of being not a vassal state of the US.

Has the thought ever occurred to you that the point of the Chavizmo attack on opposition media might have had more to do with hoarding power than avoiding being a US vassal? Or are such thoughts forbidden lest your brain fall into the hands of da ebil merikins?

 

[Watanabe]

Has the thought ever occurred to you that the point of the Chavizmo attack on opposition media might have had more to do with hoarding power than avoiding being a US vassal?

Are the two options mutually exclusive?