Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

How were they a distraction and harm to the real investigation? Did the FBI assign someone to monitor Reddit posts who would otherwise have been engaged in interviewing witnesses?

I can't answer that. I can only point to the fact that at least one news article claims the release was made partly to stem the harm coming from online speculation.

For now, and absent evidence to the contrary, I'll presume that this claim is true.
 
Is there actually evidence that the bombing suspects robbed the 7-11?

No, I don't think so.

They happened to visit the 7-11 near the time of the robbery and hence were found on the video. Far as I know, that was totally coincidental.
 
Because it's sheer speculation.
Here's the statement:

"So if it hadn't been for Reddit's recklessness, the authorities might still be sitting on those images, and the suspects might still be trying to decide where to explode more bombs, or worse, have created more victims by exploding more already."

The authorities have been quoted as saying they released the images they had when they did to limit the damage they thought Reddit was doing, so it's not "sheer speculation" that Reddit's actions caused them to release the images sooner rather than later.

News reports of the shootout with police confirm that they had a number of improvised explosive devices, including another pressure cooker bomb, so it's not sheer speculation that they had more bombs to explode. It's reasonable to infer that they didn't have these devices simply as souvenirs of their glory days at the Boston Marathon, so it's not sheer speculation that they would be trying to decide where to deploy them.

The only thing that's sheer speculation is that they might have already deployed them and created more victims.
 
The high school student undeniably felt harmed by the attention.
He was never identified, fit the description given by the FBI, and was immediately exonerated when he identified himself.

You can pretend that there was no reason to be concerned that someone might be carrying hidden explosives at this scene, or that public humiliation of an innocent person is so heinous that morality and decency requires the police risk a suicide bomber rather than force him to undress.
So when the FBI speculates it's OK to strip people in public and haul them off in handcuffs, but it's not OK for lay people to speculate on social media?

You can also pretend that police officers taking persons into custody for questioning is morally equivalent to armchair detectives outing names of persons they suspect. Indeed, it's such a grievous offense to detain and question an innocent person that I suppose we should make a law that only the guilty should ever be treated thus.
The high school kid was not named, nor was the guy in tattered pants running away.

Maybe. I'm not going to guess at what counterfactual outcomes could have resulted nor criticize the FBI for complex decisions that are based on reasoning and information I'm not privy to.

None of this is relevant to the question of whether the behavior of online sleuths was good or bad.
Ah, so by default you don't question or criticize the authorities?

The FBI asked the public to view the photos (and only those photos) and alert them if they knew the individuals shown.

That's not the sort of online behavior that I'm criticizing.
No, you're criticizing the behavior of the public reacting to the limited information given by the FBI (guys in hats and hoodies holding bags). The FBI invited that speculation by releasing partial information, and quite possibly put more people at risk (such as the slain MIT cop) by doing so.
 
The FBI asked the public to view the photos (and only those photos) and alert them if they knew the individuals shown.

That's not the sort of online behavior that I'm criticizing.
Do you think it's wrong to view other photos online to see if they might contain a clearer image of the two subjects who were identified as suspects by the FBI?
 
Honestly?

That's worse than publicly naming a missing man as a suspect? And causing such a negative reaction that the family (temporarily) took down the site intended to publicize his case?


As bad as what happened was.... I can't think of a better way to publicize his case.
 

The Posts articles about the Saudi student and the two high schoolers? The right-wing echo chamber and especially Glenn Beck doing crap like this?

Jewell was put under suspicion by the FBI, the trained professionals. The NY Post didn't identify anyone, and the fact is they were men holding bags who fit the limited description offered by the FBI.

No, they called people suspects when they weren't, and pretty much flat-out stated that the people whose photographs they ran were the culprits. Defending them by saying they didn't name the people whose pictures they ran and identified as the bombers is pretty weak.

And this time, they didn't even have the justification that the FBI released that information first. They just made it all up on their own.

So the FBI didn't release the videos in response to all the social media speculation? They lied when they said that? :rolleyes:

zeggman is asserting a lot more than just that.
 
They didn't rob the 7-11. S2 bought something, and left, and the 7-11 was robbed by someone else the same night. The image was thus on the security footage.

So unless 7-11 stores in Boston get robbed almost every night, law enforcement got a lucky break. :D
 
I don't think anybody should be posting names, or speculating about names of people they don't know personally in publicly posted photographs. I think anyone who was named has a reasonable basis for a lawsuit against the person who posted the name, and (depending on the details) if I was on the jury, they'd have a good chance of winning a case for defamation or emotional distress.

Publicly discussing the persons in the images themselves is bad enough. This will have a negative effect on those people, whether their names are given by Reddit or not. When you publicly point to a particular person and say that this person is suspicious, and may be the bomber, you can bet that this will have a negative effect (given the huge audience Reddit's speculations evidently had).

I honestly don't see anything wrong with such speculation, were it not for the fact that it's done in a very, very visible way. Among friends, playing detective is one thing. On publicly accessible and widely read sites on the internet, it's something else.

I think Reddit did many things right. They identified backpacks which could possibly have contained pressure cookers. They correctly identified the logos on the hats which is something the FBI either did not do or did not publish. I think they deserve credit for the things they did right as much as they deserve scorn for the things they did wrong.

The logo on the cap may or may not have been correct (seems it was correct, but who knows?) but it was predictably inconsequential. The odds that identifying a ball cap matters in this kind of investigation are vanishingly small.

The backpacks identified seem to have served no useful purpose, and caused harm by resulting in publicity regarding these poor, uninvolved people.

So, I'm afraid I don't see any particular good coming from Reddit -- at least, excepting the fact that they caused such harm that they might have inadvertently had a good effect.
 
The odds that identifying a ball cap matters in this kind of investigation are vanishingly small.
I disagree. In this case, S2 was said to wear that cap everywhere. Probably lots of people wear white baseball caps, a smaller number of people wear them backwards, and an even smaller number of people wear one with that logo.

Lots of people in this case viewed the FBI photos and thought "that kind of looks like my friend Jahar" but didn't share their suspicions with the authorities. If the logo on the cap had been widely known, more of them might have. People who knew both brothers, and had seen both caps, would have even more reason to think their suspicions were justified.

The backpacks identified seem to have served no useful purpose, and caused harm by resulting in publicity regarding these poor, uninvolved people.
I don't think anyone was harmed by this speculation. If I'd been in one of those photos, I know I'd have been more amused than anything else.
 
I don't think anyone was harmed by this speculation. If I'd been in one of those photos, I know I'd have been more amused than anything else.

The problem is really confirmation bias. We know that the bombs were placed a relatively short time before they exploded. This makes anyone carrying a bag large enough to hold the bomb a possible suspect. A good investigator would look for such persons in the crowd photos taken before the blasts, then look for evidence that would exclude them. For example, photos taken after the blasts that showed that person still had the suspicious bag. Most people and perhaps even most law enforcement officers tend to operate the other way. They focus on a possible suspect and only look for evidence confirming guilt.
 
So unless 7-11 stores in Boston get robbed almost every night, law enforcement got a lucky break. :D

Obviously the robbery was a false flag operation to give the Feds the excuse to publicize the security footage.

Steve S
 

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