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Merged Boston Marathon CTs

Praktik said:
Maybe it makes things a bit more "real" to have a sister (who I'm still close with) and a close friend (who I am no longer close with - thanks to all our fights on these matters!) who were sucked down the rabbit hole.

CTers are no longer just names and avatars on message boards for me...
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I too have seen close people fall into this, with tragic results for themselves and those around them, destroyed lives, etc. Which is partly why i no longer take these CT cults lightly.
 
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SkepticGuy said:
Yes, and in context with the practice drills going on... not preparing people for the explosion about to happen... which is the context lots of people are giving it.
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i have seen no evidence for any drill going on, would be suprising. i think what the witness himself said is the most plausible, they just claimed it to be a drill so people would not panic.
a drill on a hollyday, with 2 big events taking place, i cannot imagen that you plan a drill on that day in such a crowd.
 
phiwum said:
This post has me puzzled for a couple of reasons. First, the poster claims to have been watching the marathon live. Was anyone actually broadcasting live coverage of the marathon so late? This was long after the winners had won.

Second, and this is more speculative, but if I were watching the live marathon and there were a sudden explosion, I'm sure I wouldn't have the wherewithal to notice who was running to the scene first. I suppose, however, in this day of PVRs when we can rewind live video, this is easily explained. But has anyone actually seen a video showing that first-responders included military personnel? And would that be terribly surprising, or were uniformed national guardsmen on hand at the site?
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Hold it right there. I hope you're not suggesting elite ATS Truth-Detective AllGloryIsGods is being less than completely honest here. I really hope that's not what you're suggesting.
 
DC said:
i have seen no evidence for any drill going on, would be suprising. i think what the witness himself said is the most plausible, they just claimed it to be a drill so people would not panic.
a drill on a hollyday, with 2 big events taking place, i cannot imagen that you plan a drill on that day in such a crowd.
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Well when would be better to carry out a drill and test if it actually works with a real crowd?
 
DC said:
i cannot imagen that you plan a drill on that day in such a crowd.
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I suppose exposing police K-9's to large crowds to ensure their effectiveness when called on for real is beyond your ability for imagination.

Even service dogs receive extensive crowd training before being given to their new handicapped partner.

And since dogs used in law enforcement receive constant and regular training, it makes absolute sense someone would take advantage of the existing crowd to reinforce the dog's ability to handle crowds.

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threadworm said:
There is a substantial proportion of the CT world that doesn't actually believe anyone died, which is how they can justify their vile mockery, and an equally disturbing proportion who believe there are deaths and injuries but think they are a justifiable sacrifice if the sheeple wake up and take over. Those people are a short goose step from Anders Breivik, the Sandy Hook Killer and the Timothy McVeighs of the world.

There are people on eg Icke's forum who are genuinely appalled by these events, there are others who are like circling vultures desperate for more carnage that will justify their insane belief that the lizards are out to get us. The more blood and gore there is, the more it convinces them they are right, so the more they actually want it.
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Going on 200 posts pretty much all blathering to each other about BM CTs that haven't been broached here.

There is no CT world. People trying to expose and delineate the events that have resulted in America's current feudalistic disarray are ridiculed as CTs.

The rich directing the government are the absolute antithesis of “We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

The government no longer exists but through the eyes and avarice of the rich.
 
Praktik said:
Here is a common problem:

  • CTer makes claim about an event like the Boston marathon being a conspiracy
  • Therefore CTer lacks sympathy for victims
The problem is that in their world, sounding the alarm on the conspiracy is the BEST way to show sympathy for the victims, cause they're the ONLY ones able to see why they died and the ONLY ones fighting to stop future false-flags like this from taking any more lives.

I don't think we need to impute an evil motive to them - we should recall that they all have a system of rationalizations that have them speaking the way they do. I think nearly all CTers will have some measure of appropriate sympathy for the dead, its just their way of expressing it comes in the zany theories we all know and despise.

And heck, you're not the only one to slip into this so please understand I used that one post to make this general comment - and I think it's important because the major weakness in CT theory is to impute evil motives to leadership and imagine them as some of the lowest, most selfish, most ruthless people you could ever imagine. They overlook the rationalizations that have people like Bush and Cheney planning wars that have legitimately evil outcomes and don't realize that they are not even able to see the evil -> given the rationalizations they have internalized that make adventures in the Middle East look like just the ticket!

We make the same mistake because the CTers we imagine to be so callous don't thinking of themselves that way, and in their minds, they're doing exactly what any reasonable person would be doing once they had their eyes opened to the NWO.
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Seems you're claiming these CT'ers are mostly decent, but misguided people. After spending a few hours reading over their "commentary", I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
 
SkepticGuy said:
I suppose exposing police K-9's to large crowds to ensure their effectiveness when called on for real is beyond your ability for imagination.

Even service dogs receive extensive crowd training before being given to their new handicapped partner.

And since dogs used in law enforcement receive constant and regular training, it makes absolute sense someone would take advantage of the existing crowd to reinforce the dog's ability to handle crowds.

(@@)
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i guess they can do that every day at an airport or trainstation etc.
 
trustbutverify said:
Seems you're claiming these CT'ers are mostly decent, but misguided people. After spending a few hours reading over their "commentary", I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
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Yep, reasonable people can disagree. May I just suggest messageboard comments and youtube comments are probably not the best indicators of their inner minds and that we are probably on firmer ground to see them as misguided than we are to see them as actively, consciously callous and evil.

I just think our disgust for the theories extends to the PEOPLE more often than it should, and that this is a similar error that the targets of our criticisms make.

EDIT: maybe you can call this "The Banality of CTers"...;)
 
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Garrison said:
Well when would be better to carry out a drill and test if it actually works with a real crowd?
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Just saying

How better to convince people to participate in an end justifies the means attack than by minimizing collateral damage?
 
I dare any protestor to come to Boston, obviously and specifically Copley Square and just try to say this stuff to our faces.

Also, there was absolutely no one saying "this is only a drill" or anything close to it, after the bomb went off like so many claim.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Going on 200 posts pretty much all blathering to each other about BM CTs that haven't been broached here.

There is no CT world. People trying to expose and delineate the events that have resulted in America's current feudalistic disarray are ridiculed as CTs.
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Or alternately they are crackpots who every single time some loony shoots up a school or plants a bomb announce it's all part of some devious government scheme; and doing so before anyone has a shred of evidence as to who exactly did what.
 
Praktik said:
Yep, reasonable people can disagree. May I just suggest messageboard comments and youtube comments are probably not the best indicators of their inner minds and that we are probably on firmer ground to see them as misguided than we are to see them as actively, consciously callous and evil.

I just think our disgust for the theories extends to the PEOPLE more often than it should, and that this is a similar error that the targets of our criticisms make.

EDIT: maybe you can call this "The Banality of CTers"...;)
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I think some of the Sandyhook victims, who were personally attacked by phone and mail by the CT action squad after having their children machine-gunned, might have a different perspective on all this.

It seems more than possible to me that most of these "investigators" are garden variety creeps and bullies who found a new toy to play with.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Going on 200 posts pretty much all blathering to each other about BM CTs that haven't been broached here.

There is no CT world. People trying to expose and delineate the events that have resulted in America's current feudalistic disarray are ridiculed as CTs.

The rich directing the government are the absolute antithesis of “We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

The government no longer exists but through the eyes and avarice of the rich.
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The CTs that have been broached here have been broached elsewhere by people who believe it.

The world that the CTs believe in doesn't exist, but plenty of them believe it does, and some of them believe it to extremes. There are even some morons out there who claim that this event didn't happen, which puts them up there with no-planers in the no-brain department.

You clearly have paid as little attention to conspiracy forums as the other areas in which you falsely claim expertise.
 
Brass said:
I dare any protestor to come to Boston, obviously and specifically Copley Square and just try to say this stuff to our faces.

Also, there was absolutely no one saying "this is only a drill" or anything close to it, after the bomb went off like so many claim.
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Are we talkin the Buzz Aldrin treatment?
 
trustbutverify said:
I think some of the Sandyhook victims, who were personally attacked by phone and mail by the CT action squad after having their children machine-gunned, might have a different perspective on all this.

It seems more than possible to me that most of these "investigators" are garden variety creeps and bullies who found a new toy to play with.
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Ya thats appalling AND atrocious and a few other adjectives besides... but these I think would be small minority of wider CT population so I wouldn't think its fair to expect that kind of behaviour from all of them.

But ya, that stuff is blood-boiling stuff - I would say that's the CT equivalent of Phelps and co protesting funerals (more and more I find religion is actually the best analogue to assist in understanding the world of CT belief). And like Phelps, would put them in a similar smaller bucket/subset of the overall belief where most don't share that kind of extremism/in-your-face-ness
 
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