Merged No Planes At WTC (Split from: WTC Dust)

[Jim_MDP]

I haven't ruled it out 100%, but it does not appear to be plane debris. Rather, it appears to be debris from the explosion. If you watch the videos closely, the plane-like object moves smoothly and fully into WTC 2, then an explosion happens. The explosions were undoubtedly real. The buildings are no longer there. Stuff did fall to the ground. Just not when it appeared that a plane was crashing into the south wall of WTC 2. There wasn't plane debris bouncing off, or even falling down, at the south face.

Do you have, or did you have access to video or photos clear enough to show that?

Can you show us?

 

[Muc]

Some of it should have been moving south. Not all. Some. At the moment of "impact", not after.

Actually, even on low quality video it appears that there are parts of the engine assemblies and pieces from the bulge where the wings meet the fuselage - whatever it's called - "moving south" as the plane disintegrates.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOYpqG8yj0
youtube.com/watch?v=LSDfbm8OhCg
youtube.com/watch?v=muz7Jt_7_7E

I think in the slow motion (second link) you can even see something being blown off or out of the right wing (maybe fuel) as the nose enters the building before the wing even touches the facade.

 

[Sunstealer]

I haven't ruled it out 100%, but it does not appear to be plane debris. Rather, it appears to be debris from the explosion. If you watch the videos closely, the plane-like object moves smoothly and fully into WTC 2, then an explosion happens. The explosions were undoubtedly real. The buildings are no longer there. Stuff did fall to the ground. Just not when it appeared that a plane was crashing into the south wall of WTC 2. There wasn't plane debris bouncing off, or even falling down, at the south face.

Beautiful stundie.

I haven't ruled it out, but actually I have.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Some of it should have been moving south. Not all. Some. At the moment of "impact", not after.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOYpqG8yj0

youtube.com/watch?v=muz7Jt_7_7E

So, there are some videos showing how much material moved south at the moment of impact. My view is that those videos show what actually happened. If you feel there's something wrong with what's shown (beyond simple incredulity like "not quite what I expected") I'd be grateful if you could demonstrate quite what the problem is.

 

[fess]

I haven't ruled it out 100%, but it does not appear to be plane debris. Rather, it appears to be debris from the explosion. If you watch the videos closely, the plane-like object moves smoothly and fully into WTC 2, then an explosion happens. The explosions were undoubtedly real. The buildings are no longer there. Stuff did fall to the ground. Just not when it appeared that a plane was crashing into the south wall of WTC 2. There wasn't plane debris bouncing off, or even falling down, at the south face.

And you can see this all happening within 1/3 of a second? When the fuel reaches its explosive limit, (LEL/UEL), and explodes, why wouldn’t the explosion blow some of the smaller bits and pieces of the aircraft back out of the building?

And… the building was still there after the explosion.

 

[The Big Dog]

And you can see this all happening within 1/3 of a second? When the fuel reaches its explosive limit, (LEL/UEL), and explodes, why wouldn’t the explosion blow some of the smaller bits and pieces of the aircraft back out of the building?

And… the building was still there after the explosion.

You know, when she kept writing 9:59, I thought it was just the same typo she was making (albeit dozens of times), but now it seems she thinks that the planes hit and the building immediately collapsed at 9:59.

/I know she thinks that there were no planes.... drugs are bad, mmm'kay.

 

[WTC Dust]

Tracy,

What would plane debris falling from impact with a 110+ storey skyscraper have looked like? Images please.

Something similar to (but not identical to) what took place in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8E-CogkYE

 

[WTC Dust]

Do you have, or did you have access to video or photos clear enough to show that?

Can you show us?

You can take a look at any of the videos of 9:59AM on 9/11/2001. It doesn't matter. They all show the same thing: nothing that appears to be plane debris.

 

[WTC Dust]

Actually, even on low quality video it appears that there are parts of the engine assemblies and pieces from the bulge where the wings meet the fuselage - whatever it's called - "moving south" as the plane disintegrates.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOYpqG8yj0

Stuff starts heading downwards after the explosion, not as the plane-like object appears to impact the south face of WTC 2.

youtube.com/watch?v=LSDfbm8OhCg

Same here.

youtube.com/watch?v=muz7Jt_7_7E

Same here.

I think in the slow motion (second link) you can even see something being blown off or out of the right wing (maybe fuel) as the nose enters the building before the wing even touches the facade.

All these videos are missing exactly what I've been talking about that is missing. Clear evidence of a plane impact.

 

[The Big Dog]

You can take a look at any of the videos of 9:59AM on 9/11/2001. It doesn't matter. They all show the same thing: nothing that appears to be plane debris.

FACE PALM.

Tracy, remember when you left in a huff? You should do that again.

 

[DGM]

You can take a look at any of the videos of 9:59AM on 9/11/2001. It doesn't matter. They all show the same thing: nothing that appears to be plane debris.

Why do you keep repeating the wrong time for the aircraft impacts?

 

[WTC Dust]

So, there are some videos showing how much material moved south at the moment of impact. My view is that those videos show what actually happened. If you feel there's something wrong with what's shown (beyond simple incredulity like "not quite what I expected") I'd be grateful if you could demonstrate quite what the problem is.

I agree with you on this. The videos DO show what happened. I don't think these videos are faked. I think they are genuine videos of the events of 9/11 as they took place.

Since there does not appear to be an impact between a plane and a building in these videos (because of the lack of plane debris), what they show is a faked plane image passing through the south face of WTC 2, followed by explosions.

The explosions are undoubtedly real. The WTC was, in fact, destroyed.

 

[WTC Dust]

Beautiful stundie.

I haven't ruled it out, but actually I have.

I have ruled it out, to a certainty of something less than 100%.
I could be wrong about no planes. Better evidence would cause
me to change my mind.

 

[abaddon]

You can take a look at any of the videos of 9:59AM on 9/11/2001. It doesn't matter. They all show the same thing: nothing that appears to be plane debris.

Why? What on earth is significant about 9:59?

 

[WTC Dust]

You know, when she kept writing 9:59, I thought it was just the same typo she was making (albeit dozens of times), but now it seems she thinks that the planes hit and the building immediately collapsed at 9:59.

/I know she thinks that there were no planes.... drugs are bad, mmm'kay.

I was making a point about the videos of 9:59AM, so I indicated this by including the time.

 

[ehcks]

I was making a point about the videos of 9:59AM, so I indicated this by including the time.

And what point is that?

The first plane hits at 8:46:30, the second at 9:03:02. There were no other planes in the area an hour later.

 

[The Big Dog]

I was making a point about the videos of 9:59AM, so I indicated this by including the time.

well, you of course understand that the plane "allegedly" struck the tower an hour earlier, and therefore, looking for the aircraft debris on low res You Tubes while one of the tallest building ever constructed commences collapsing might be the single most idiotic and fruitless task in the History of Mankind, don't you?

 

[phunk]

Something similar to (but not identical to) what took place in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8E-CogkYE

Why would you expect that? Different wall, different plane, cameras hundreds of times farther away, and no high speed cameras.

 

[WTC Dust]

well, you of course understand that the plane "allegedly" struck the tower an hour earlier, and therefore, looking for the aircraft debris on low res You Tubes while one of the tallest building ever constructed commences collapsing might be the single most idiotic and fruitless task in the History of Mankind, don't you?

Yeah. You're right. I messed up. I'm not talking about 9:59AM. Gah!
I meant 9:03AM.

 

[WTC Dust]

Why would you expect that? Different wall, different plane, cameras hundreds of times farther away, and no high speed cameras.

There are some differences between a solid concrete wall and a wall made of steel columns.

There are some differences between the f4 jet in the video and a passenger plane.

Still, an impact at about 500MPH between these two different types of planes and two different types of walls should be similar in effect. Namely, the plane would be destroyed at the precise moment that it impacted the wall, and videos of this event would show plane debris bouncing backwards off the wall.