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Racial segregation is legal in the U.S?

I think a large part of the problem in this whole thread is that in Australia, organised dances with bands, decorations etc for school-aged kids are about 99% of the time organised, arranged etc by the schools here. In the last 3 years of high school (grades 10-12), dances called "formals" are held, and are completely under the relevant school's aegis.
It was certainly this way where I grew up (Illinois, middle of the country) and was for my kids (raised in California). I think the segregated proms take place in a limited geographical area. My guess would be there is far more segregation by socioeconomic class than by race considering the nation as a whole although in many cases it might be impossible to differentiate the underlying forces.
 
Yes. And?

What's happening here is illegal in most other western countries. It's called vilification. Discrimination. Racism. Regardless of the who, where, why.

What is the penalty in these countries for these acts of racism?
 
Our prom took place at the school. It was all-white but that's because I grew up in an all-white town and went to an all-white school.

Well that’s no excuse. They should have bussed minorities hundreds of miles away to integrate your White prom.
 
Yeah I did answer it; I said "if it was commonly understood ... [in] the community" (that it was only one race welcome), then the school would take down the signs and the HRC would more than likely be contacted.

I have posted pretty much the same thing also.
 
This probably happens more than we think. And non-Americans should know, there are social differences within the United States. Georgia is the 'Heart of Dixie,' the heart of the Old Confederacy. There was a legally constructed racial-caste system in place in Georgia, and neighboring states, which did not start to come down until passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Look at it like this. This has obviously been going on in Wilcox County for...since they first started having proms? Since the end of slavery? For the past 150 years. Only now some of the kids are questioning it?

That is progress. I suppose.

Where I live in New York, things are a bit different. I remember years ago someone telling me, he invited some black kids to his daughter's graduation party. This was a white person who normally expressed a lot of hostility towards blacks. He said he really didn't want the black kids in his home, but at the same time he didn't want the black kids who were friends with his daughter to feel left out.

Actually Alabama is the Heart of Dixie but in reality as far as White racial attitudes go Mississippi is the real Heart of Dixie.
 
Having grown up with this being the routine, they probably haven't been very aware until recently that there are any places where it's not like this. To them, they're two separate events that some have now suggested combining, not a single event that somehow got split.

And keep in mind that the differences between white and black people in this country, especially in places that aren't very urban or affluent, aren't just physical. There are cultural/behavioral differences that make each much more likely to want to spend time around members of the same group than members of the other group. They don't talk the same, use the same body language, laugh at the same jokes, or have the same interests, and wouldn't choose to locate events at the same venues with the same decorations and the same food/drinks and the same music. For an event that's supposed to be fun, of course you're going to want to do it with people whose idea of fun is like yours. Two different groups with different tastes having separate gatherings that cater to the way each group would want them is the obvious natural thing to do. Trying to cram two such events into one is like trying to tell a gardening club and book club to have their meetings together, or trying to tell members of a Pakistani Muslim immigrant community and the nearest Lutheran church to hold joint services & events.

The law you quoted bans people from denying each other human rights and fundamental freedoms. It doesn't mention situations where those are not at stake. What right/freedom is being denied in this case? I don't think I've ever seen anyone making a case that being allowed to attend any and all social gatherings is such a right/freedom, but there are a lot, including those who wrote our laws, who would make a case that being allowed to choose whom to socialize with IS.

Apparently you didn’t get the memo that we are all the same.
 
Yeah I did answer it; I said "if it was commonly understood ... [in] the community" (that it was only one race welcome), then the school would take down the signs and the HRC would more than likely be contacted.

And in a later post I explained how school dances here differ from private "proms" in the US.

Or perhaps I have misunderstood your question, which was quite wide and ambiguous. If you want to narrow it down, then I might "care to try again".
"a guest list provided to the place the dance was being held. Of course only white kids were on the list. Unknown if it was called a school function; no reason why it should have been.

What does Aus do then?"

was and remains the question. Just don't stipulate added conditions.

And an additional question: I saw a film last night Rabbit Proof Fence which had authorities taking half-caste kids (guessing here white father, aboriginal mother) from the mothers so they could be raised 'white'. The year wasn't specified but from the vehicles I'd guess 1930's +-. What was that all about, and may I guess that's no longer being done?
 
Actually Alabama is the Heart of Dixie but in reality as far as White racial attitudes go Mississippi is the real Heart of Dixie.

and the heart of poverty, illiteracy, child-mortality, government dependency, drug abuse, and high-school drop outs.
 
Citation please?

Poverty 1 with 20.6%link

Illiteracy of 16 percent but no specific ranking herelink

Child Mortality solid #1link

5th in high school drop out rate fromlink

But drug use does seem to be in error.link

Not sure exactly what government dependency means but it is below the national average by link and actually seems to be the lowest. Given with the leading in poverty though this is probably not a good thing.
 
Teen pregnancy by state:
#2: Mississippi
#3: Texas
#8: Louisiana
#10: Georgia
#14: Alabama

Not a single southern state in the bottom 30 (depending on whether you consider Virginia "southern").

Interesting. I think it's more to do with the south typically (not always, but typically) being very conservative, while northern states typically being more liberal. For some reason, that which I do not know, conservative parents seem more.. I don't even know. Closed minded? Liberals are more open about sex and sexuality and willing to talk to their kids about sex and such, where it seems that conservatives want that to be kept quiet.

It's just my perception, it may not be based in reality, but it's what I seem to notice.

Here's whats REALLY surprising though.

50. New Hampshire - 33/1,000

Having lived near New Hampshire for some time, I know that there's NOTHING to do there, other than do drugs, have sex, and drive to Canada and get gravy fries. But yet, they've got the lowest rate of teen pregnancy of all 50 states! What kind of sorcery is THAT!!!!
 
Poverty 1 with 20.6%link

Illiteracy of 16 percent but no specific ranking herelink

Child Mortality solid #1link

5th in high school drop out rate fromlink

But drug use does seem to be in error.link

Not sure exactly what government dependency means but it is below the national average by link and actually seems to be the lowest. Given with the leading in poverty though this is probably not a good thing.

So, not entirely inaccurate, though not exactly as claimed. Interesting. I didn't figure they were #1 in all of those categories. Thanks for the links.
 
"a guest list provided to the place the dance was being held. Of course only white kids were on the list. Unknown if it was called a school function; no reason why it should have been.

What does Aus do then?"

was and remains the question. Just don't stipulate added conditions.

And an additional question: I saw a film last night Rabbit Proof Fence which had authorities taking half-caste kids (guessing here white father, aboriginal mother) from the mothers so they could be raised 'white'. The year wasn't specified but from the vehicles I'd guess 1930's +-. What was that all about, and may I guess that's no longer being done?

1931, an extremely racist time in Australia, at the height of the White Australia Policy. What you saw in the film was part of what is now termed the Stolen Generations, under which various government policies Indigenous* children, especially those of mixed Anglo-Aboriginal heritage, were systematically removed to White run church missions and government orphanages. This occurred between roughly 1910 and 1970. Numbers of children taken in such acts are hard to get proper figures on, but it was somewhere between 20,000 and 100,000 children.

The film, incidentally, was sadly mostly factual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follow_the_Rabbit-Proof_Fence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._O._Neville



*I use Indigenous rather than Aboriginal because in addition to Aboriginal Australians there is also a second group of Australians who predate English inhabitation of Australia, and they are the Torres Strait Islanders, who belong rather to the Melanesian ethnic group.
 
This thread reminds me of why I don't regret skipping my prom.
 
Interesting. I think it's more to do with the south typically (not always, but typically) being very conservative, while northern states typically being more liberal. For some reason, that which I do not know, conservative parents seem more.. I don't even know. Closed minded? Liberals are more open about sex and sexuality and willing to talk to their kids about sex and such, where it seems that conservatives want that to be kept quiet.

It's just my perception, it may not be based in reality, but it's what I seem to notice.
I have no data, but such speculation is similar to my own.

50. New Hampshire - 33/1,000

Having lived near New Hampshire for some time, I know that there's NOTHING to do there, other than do drugs, have sex, and drive to Canada and get gravy fries. But yet, they've got the lowest rate of teen pregnancy of all 50 states! What kind of sorcery is THAT!!!!
My son recently moved to Manchester. I'll ask him if he ever gets out of the sack with his gorgeous wife. :D
 
Having lived near New Hampshire for some time, I know that there's NOTHING to do there, other than do drugs, have sex, and drive to Canada and get gravy fries. But yet, they've got the lowest rate of teen pregnancy of all 50 states! What kind of sorcery is THAT!!!!

Maybe they've learned about contraception thanks to sex-ed ?
 

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