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Janadele said:
More information is emerging in answer to questions being asked in this thread...
http://nephiteexplorer.com/
This new TV series, Nephite Explorer, on KJZZ channel 14 in Utah and parts of Idaho and Nevada, is an action packed weekly travel journalism and adventure show... diving into scriptural history and prophecies about Latter-day America and running investigations from locations around the world.
Those interested can follow The Nephite Explorer Project on Twitter, Facebook or subscribe to updates by email.
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Interesting take on "neutral sources"...
 
Janadele said:
The Tegucigalpa Honduras Temple was dedicated on March 17, 2013, the sixth Temple in Central America and the 141st working Temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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Nobody here cares about another temple dedicated to worshipping the fraud that is the LDS church. Why can't your church use the money to help the poor? Honduras isn't exactly the wealthiest nation on earth, or hadn't you noticed?

Got any information for us about those anachronisms in the BoM? I'm still interested in how horses can suddenly become ride-able deer.
 
Janadele said:
Such matters are of very little importance nor interest to me, however there are active Latter-day Saints who have researched these matters and provided answers, the links to some I have previously posted. Those with these obsessive questions need to read these sources for themselves.
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That is twice, recently, that you have called asking polite questions an "obsession". Do you know what the word means?

You have never once addressed the problem represented by the fact that you dismiss any source that does not uncritically parrot your doctrine as "anti-mormon propaganda", yet have no problem claiming wholly-owned house organs of the church as reliable. If you cannot answer my questions,say so. If all you have is The Nephite Explorer, say so.

I will continue to ask you to provide your opinion on things until you do one or the other...(but if you are going to refuse to answer questions, and are only going to preach LDS dogma, why are you here?)
 
Janadele said:
The Tegucigalpa Honduras Temple was dedicated on March 17, 2013, the sixth Temple in Central America and the 141st working Temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Temples are not regular places of Sunday worship. They are quite different from the thousands of regular chapels or meetinghouses all over the world. Anyone, regardless of religion, may enter a Latter-day Saint meetinghouse and attend services. However, because of the sacredness of Temples as “houses of the Lord” only members of the LDS Church who are in good standing are allowed to enter the Temples.

Honduran President Porfirio Lobo offered to broadcast the cultural event on the national TV channel and accepted an invitation to have breakfast at the Temple annex building. President Lobo also invited President Uchtdorf, Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve, and the other visiting LDS General Authorities to breakfast the next day at his Presidential offices. http://www.lds.org/church/news/president-uchtdorf-dedicates-tegucigalpa-honduras-temple?lang=eng
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Yeah? And how much did the LDS Church spend helping the poor and needy in Honduras while they were building their overly elaborate, multi million dollar temple there? I'm betting $0.00.

Why do you keep posting this nonsense? No one here cares how many temples the Mormon Church opens. All it does is to highlight their lack of integrity and the willingness of their members to be duped.

Why are you so hell bent on making your church look so bad?
 
RandFan said:
In many ways I think the Mormon concept an improvement over the traditional fare. I always thought the idea of living forever and just worshiping god was kinda dumb and lacking in imagination. But Mormon ideas are new wine into old bottles (LUKE 5:37).
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I brew beer and make wine as a hobby. The "bottles" in question were usually wine skins. You didn't put new wine in old skins, because there was still residual fermentation. New skins cold stretch a little to accommodate the Carbon Dioxide production. Old skins, having already stretched out, would be more likely to rupture, spilling the wine.

Even when clay or glass vessels were used, they were not up to modern standards, meaning a few uses would introduce enough microfractures to weaken the vessels. While you could use containers that were not sealed, this left the beverage open to the air, which increased the risk of contamination with bacteria capable of spoiling the wine.
 
Janadele said:
The Tegucigalpa Honduras Temple was dedicated on March 17, 2013, the sixth Temple in Central America and the 141st working Temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Temples are not regular places of Sunday worship. They are quite different from the thousands of regular chapels or meetinghouses all over the world. Anyone, regardless of religion, may enter a Latter-day Saint meetinghouse and attend services. However, because of the sacredness of Temples as “houses of the Lord” only members of the LDS Church who are in good standing are allowed to enter the Temples.

Honduran President Porfirio Lobo offered to broadcast the cultural event on the national TV channel and accepted an invitation to have breakfast at the Temple annex building. President Lobo also invited President Uchtdorf, Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve, and the other visiting LDS General Authorities to breakfast the next day at his Presidential offices. http://www.lds.org/church/news/president-uchtdorf-dedicates-tegucigalpa-honduras-temple?lang=eng
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The Lord lives there? How many houses does a god need?
 
Janadele said:
Such matters are of very little importance nor interest to me . . .
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As much as this has been transparently obvious from your very first post, I still find it surprising.

You appear not only to take absolutely no notice whatsoever of the irreparable damage that you've done to whatever crediblility you might hope to have should you ever decide to present an argument here, but you are similarly insouciant to the harm you continue to do to the source of your blind faith.

Be in no doubt, Janadele, that there are many here to whom the LDS was formerly just one sect amongst many whereas now, thanks to your efforts(?), the church which you purport to represent has become a bizarre joke.


Janadele said:
. . . however there are active Latter-day Saints who have researched these matters and provided answers . . .
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How unfortunate that you, as the one here pretending to be their spokeswoman, aren't amongst them.


Janadele said:
. . . the links to some I have previously posted.
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Yes, you've been spamming us for months. It's hard to believe that you seem to take pride in this 'achievement'.


Janadele said:
Those with these obsessive questions need to read these sources for themselves.
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It seems that the one or two obsessives here amongst us have already spent far too much time reading the sources of which you speak at the expense of learning anything of use about the real world in which they live.
 
Janadele,

Mormon cosmology describes the God you worship as an ascended mortal. What does LDS doctrine tell us about the first being, the ultimate source of all of this, the one who set all of this in motion and is therefore, ultimately, the God worshiped by the God you worship?

If the Mormon faith is visualized as a pyramid scheme. Who is at the top of the pyramid, and do you ever worship him directly? Why even worship the intermediary at all, given what a limited, bound and restricted being he is?
 
Does the LDS god have the power to do terrible things to people after they die, or decide who become gods under him?
Does he grant wishes requested by people the way Jesus promised to, but doesn't?

I'm trying to figure out what's in it for mormons to worship this character at all.
 
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halley... our task at hand is to complete our earthly trial. We are given the Scriptures as a guide. Our Spirit is able to recognise essential truths known to us in our pre mortal existence. But the full knowledge our Spirit had achieved before our earthly birth is withheld. We will remember all when we pass from mortality... and no doubt will mourn the choices made, and the consequent opportunities for eternal advancement lost.
 
Slowvehicle said:
Would this be the same Professor Emeritus Stephen Jones who claims that the WTC Towers were destroyed by controlled demolition?
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Steve is scheduled to talk about the horses-in-America research on 11 April and the 9/11 research on 22 April (3pm-6pm), both on K-talk, 630AM radio.
 
Janadele said:
halley... our task at hand is to complete our earthly trial. We are given the Scriptures as a guide. Our Spirit is able to recognise essential truths known to us in our pre mortal existence. But the full knowledge our Spirit had achieved before our earthly birth is withheld. We will remember all when we pass from mortality... and no doubt will mourn the choices made, and the consequent opportunities for eternal advancement lost.
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It sounds like you're trying to say that no, there's no information on it in Mormon scripture and no morons theorize, discuss or speculate about it.

Is that what you're trying to say?

Are you saying that Mormons acknowledge that they know nothing about the ultimate source of the laws that God himself follows and have no philosophical discussions or theories about said source?

I can understand the rationalization, that it's not directly related to the Earthly trial, but wouldn't human curiosity lead to some discussion about it?
 
GT/CS said:
Does the LDS god have the power to do terrible things to people after they die, or decide who become gods under him?
Does he grant wishes requested by people the way Jesus promised to, but doesn't?

I'm trying to figure out what's in it for mormons to worship this character at all.
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Mormons have the same god as other Abrahamic religions--Yahweh--so they worship him in the same way, as he's the creator of the world, and b/c he demands everyone kiss his ass or he'll smite them most severely.

They do believe that he answers prayers, and that he judges us after death, and decides where we spend eternity.

the LDS have a rather extensive afterlife scenario and only the very best Mormons get to be in the top level of the Celestial Kingdom where they become gods/goddesses.

They don't believe in hell. Instead those of us who 1) don't believe in Yahweh, and 2) wouldn't worship such an evil creature even if he existed, spend eternity in a lower kingdom.
 
Janadele said:
Blue Mountain, such a statement could only be given by a false prophet.
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God changed his mind about blacks. Why not about women as well?

Your very faith dictates that if the LDS hierarchy agrees that the revelation is from God, then it WAS from God, and you would have no right to question it.

You would be in a Catch-22. If you believed that a revelation making women equal to men in the church was from a false prophet, you would have no authority to tell anyone or have your words heeded, except by the people who believed the revelation was genuine. The very act of taking your arguments seriously would require accepting the revelation against which you just argued.
 
RandFan said:
Said many people after the prohibition was lifted on blacks holding the priesthood. And many of those people left the Church.
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Or no longer allowing polygamy. Major splinter groups as a result of that prophetic announcement.

Janadele, what's the difference between lifting the prohibition on blacks and the priesthood, or outlawing plural marriage, and allowing women to hold the priesthood?
 
Empress said:
Mormons have the same god as other Abrahamic religions--Yahweh--so they worship him in the same way, as he's the creator of the world, and b/c he demands everyone kiss his ass or he'll smite them most severely.

They do believe that he answers prayers, and that he judges us after death, and decides where we spend eternity.

the LDS have a rather extensive afterlife scenario and only the very best Mormons get to be in the top level of the Celestial Kingdom where they become gods/goddesses.

They don't believe in hell. Instead those of us who 1) don't believe in Yahweh, and 2) wouldn't worship such an evil creature even if he existed, spend eternity in a lower kingdom.
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Ah! Someone who has been giving actual answers!

How does the chain of Gods going back figure into it?

Is there any discussion about the nature of the God who is worshiped by the God who created this universe?

Our God has a God, who has a God, who has a God. Clearly the laws by which OUR God is bound came from somewhere. Where did they come from and who dictated them?

If deity is lineage, who is the "Adam" of the Gods? Who is the first God and is there anyone who worships him?

Where did the first God come from?
 
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