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Janadele said:
Scriptures are divinely inspired written records of God's messages to humanity. Such authoritative writings cannot be interpreted and applied by human intellect alone...Spiritual understanding is needed and required.

God speaks to mankind through Prophets, Apostles and through specific events. Scriptures progress in depth of meaning according to the understanding and worthiness of the recipients. Though given at different times and places, the core teachings are essentially the same.

The Bible is a record of a branch of the Lord's people at times and places separate from those of The Book of Mormon. Prophets who taught of Christ were called from among The Book of Mormon people for over a millennium.

The Book of Mormon recounts the stories and history of small Israelite groups led by Lehi and Mulek and brought by the hand of the Lord from ancient Jerusalem to the American continent approximately 600 BC. it is they who are the principal ancestors of modern Native Americans, the indigenous peoples of Central and South America, and much of Polynesia.
or click on this link: http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng
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How did the BoM get to Hill Cumorah?
 
Janadele said:
Scriptures are divinely inspired written records of God's messages to humanity. Such authoritative writings cannot be interpreted and applied by human intellect alone...Spiritual understanding is needed and required.

God speaks to mankind through Prophets, Apostles and through specific events. Scriptures progress in depth of meaning according to the understanding and worthiness of the recipients. Though given at different times and places, the core teachings are essentially the same.

The Bible is a record of a branch of the Lord's people at times and places separate from those of The Book of Mormon. Prophets who taught of Christ were called from among The Book of Mormon people for over a millennium.

The Book of Mormon recounts the stories and history of small Israelite groups led by Lehi and Mulek and brought by the hand of the Lord from ancient Jerusalem to the American continent approximately 600 BC. it is they who are the principal ancestors of modern Native Americans, the indigenous peoples of Central and South America, and much of Polynesia.
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And yet none of that is actually true.

Funny old world, innit?
 
Janadele said:
Scriptures are divinely inspired written records of God's messages to humanity.
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Are the Vedas as divinely inspired as your particular fairytale?


Janadele said:
Such authoritative writings cannot be interpreted and applied by human intellect alone...Spiritual understanding is needed and required.
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How amazingly convenient for the priest class.


Janadele said:
God speaks to mankind through Prophets, Apostles and through specific events. Scriptures progress in depth of meaning according to the understanding and worthiness of the recipients. Though given at different times and places, the core teachings are essentially the same.
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Except for when they directly contradict each other.


Janadele said:
The Bible is a record of a branch of the Lord's people at times and places separate from those of The Book of Mormon.
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Separated mainly by the fact that some of the people in the Bible actually existed whereas the people in the BoM did not.


Janadele said:
Prophets who taught of Christ were called from among The Book of Mormon people for over a millennium.
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No, they weren't. The BoM people have only "existed" since about 1830.


Janadele said:
The Book of Mormon recounts the stories and history of small Israelite groups led by Lehi and Mulek and brought by the hand of the Lord from ancient Jerusalem to the American continent approximately 600 BC.
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And their horses.


Janadele said:
it is they who are the principal ancestors of modern Native Americans, the indigenous peoples of Central and South America, and much of Polynesia.
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What does the genetic record have to say about this, Janadele?
 
Akhenaten said:
Are the Vedas as divinely inspired as your particular fairytale?





How amazingly convenient for the priest class.





Except for when they directly contradict each other.





Separated mainly by the fact that some of the people in the Bible actually existed whereas the people in the BoM did not.





No, they weren't. The BoM people have only "existed" since about 1830.





And their horses.




What does the genetic record have to say about this, Janadele?
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So they're fiction and the horse they rode in on.
 
tsig said:
So they're fiction and the horse they rode in on.
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You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom,
blown on the steel breeze.

Come on you target for faraway laughter,
come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!

(5 points)


Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?

(3 points)
 
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tsig said:
Yes and since the NT wasn't written yet in BoM times it looks a bit fishy.


It has been noted that the Book of Mormon exhibits word-for-word similarities with portions of the Bible that did not exist in Book of Mormon times (both post-exile parts of the Old Testament as well as sections of the New Testament). For example, in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 Paul states:

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

In the Book of Mormon, Moroni 7:45 Mormon states:

And charity suffereth long, and is kind, and envieth not, and is not puffed up, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mormon_and_the_King_James_Bible
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Surely the apologist's answer is something along the lines of "Truth is truth, and the similarities only prove that both books were divinely inspired."

I'm not saying that JS didn't lift large portions of the BoM from the NT, because I think he probably did. However, the similarities in the two texts can easily be explained away by someone who wishes, for the preservation of his or her faith, to do so.
 
Janadele said:
Fools mock, but they shall mourn.
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Since this post immediately followed mine asking you to stop proselytizing and spreading garbage, I assume this was meant toward me.

You imply I am a fool. Can you please explain why I am a fool for rejecting Mormon teachings?

Can you please explain the threat that I "shall mourn" because I refuse to believe your silly stories? What kind of god punishes his creations for using their brains to decide if what they've been told makes sense or not?
 
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Stomatopoda said:
You're supposed to pay attention to your bosom, not your brain!
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I prefer to draw inspiration from my wife's bosom, thank you very much. Mine hasn't been that impressive since I stopped rock climbing.

Janadele,

Mormon cosmology describes the God you worship as an ascended mortal. What does LDS doctrine tell us about the first being, the ultimate source of all of this, the one who set all of this in motion and is therefore, ultimately, the God worshiped by the God you worship?

The Mormon faith is ultimately a pyramid scheme. Who is at the top of the pyramid, and do you ever worship him directly? Why even worship the intermediary at all, given what a limited, bound and restricted being he is?
 



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halleyscomet said:
I prefer to draw inspiration from my wife's bosom, thank you very much. Mine hasn't been that impressive since I stopped rock climbing.

Janadele,

Mormon cosmology describes the God you worship as an ascended mortal. What does LDS doctrine tell us about the first being, the ultimate source of all of this, the one who set all of this in motion and is therefore, ultimately, the God worshiped by the God you worship?

The Mormon faith is ultimately a pyramid scheme. Who is at the top of the pyramid, and do you ever worship him directly? Why even worship the intermediary at all, given what a limited, bound and restricted being he is?
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Excellent question, but you won't receive an answer.
 
Akhenaten said:
While any contradictions prove that different authors didn't copy off each other.

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Yes, just as we saw in many believers arguments, contradictions in the story prove the story because no eye witness tells the story the same way and agreements prove the story because the eye witnesses agree.

It's like the double bitted axe of logic.
 
Janadele said:
Fools mock, but they shall mourn.
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Janadele,

Mormon cosmology describes the God you worship as an ascended mortal. What does LDS doctrine tell us about the first being, the ultimate source of all of this, the one who set all of this in motion and is therefore, ultimately, the God worshiped by the God you worship?

The Mormon faith is ultimately a pyramid scheme. Who is at the top of the pyramid, and do you ever worship him directly? Why even worship the intermediary at all, given what an emasculated, limited, bound and restricted being he is?
 
halleyscomet said:
Janadele,

Mormon cosmology describes the God you worship as an ascended mortal. What does LDS doctrine tell us about the first being, the ultimate source of all of this, the one who set all of this in motion and is therefore, ultimately, the God worshiped by the God you worship?

The Mormon faith is ultimately a pyramid scheme. Who is at the top of the pyramid, and do you ever worship him directly? Why even worship the intermediary at all, given what an emasculated, limited, bound and restricted being he is?
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Pretty sure she's already answered this - at least I know the standard Mormon answer, perhaps from previous discussions. There was no first God, it's an infinite regression, hence the "turtles all the way down" references.
 
desertgal said:
This is the public section. Kids might see that. A little pasty, if you please.

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It's bluenoses like you that take all the fun out of this forum.:)
 
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