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Merged No Planes At WTC (Split from: WTC Dust)

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Your reply did not include an answer to the question.

This answer is testimony to how much you ignore the answers already given to your questions. The answer to why things (In this case the WTC rubble pile) smoulder, you ignore evidence as to why things can smoulder even when water is being poured over it.
So you ignore provided evidence and then ask why does it do what it does.
The short answer is you're being intentionally ignorant or smoking the ganja.
 
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Why didn't these "fires" go out after 27 days of rain during the first 100 days post attack? Why was it still fuming one full year later?

Wind blowing dust around, not fumes.

This has been pointed out to her several times already. I guess it's fringe reset time. :confused:

Your reply did not include an answer to the question.

Here's one reply from Dash 80, but there has been a consensus of the same reply as pointed out by swright777...Why did you ignore their responses?
 
Cosigned, I'd love for dusty to tell a widow "Hey your husband is really alive, I know this because there were no hijackings, isn't that great?!"

Shameful utterly shameful.

I'd be willing to talk to a family member. I wouldn't say rude things like that. No hijackings doesn't mean people didn't die. I could be wrong about the no hijackings, anyway. There just isn't much good evidence that they took place.

The ONLY reason I've studied planes at all is because other people keep bringing it up. My focus is the WTC buildings.
 
If you honestly expect to see aircraft parts bouncing off the tower, then you have no business debating this subject, your claim of being a 'scientist' notwithstanding.

Well there is one good thing about your response. You're not telling me that I'm wrong. You're agreeing with me that none of the videos of 9/11 show plane debris bouncing backwards off the south face of WTC 2.

IF you had shown that I was wrong about this, then I would have had to re-evaluate my stance that a collision did not take place between a plane and the south face of WTC 2.

Since you did not point out a single video that shows plane debris, then my assertion is (yet again) proved correct that these videos don't show plane debris.

Some reasons/excuses/bandaids for the lack of plane debris bouncing backwards off the south face of WTC 2 have been offered, but I find them weak.
 
PVC insulation isn't a hydrocarbon. The clue is in the C, which here doesn't stand for carbon.

People also contain a lot of hydrogen and carbon, yet they too are not a hydrocarbon.

PVC is a hydrocarbon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_chloride

If you think that human beings aren't largely composed of hydrocarbons, think again. You're talking to a biomedical scientist here. My education has been said to have been inappropriate for researching the destruction of the WTC, but come on. You can't honestly think that I don't know what human bodies are made of?

Collagen, keratin, elastin, myofibers, hyaluronan, proteoglycans, glycogen, triglycerides, cholesterol, phospholipids, proteins, carbohydrates, nucleic acids, and fats are what the body is composed of (in addition to water, salts, and minerals) and all of these things are hydrocarbons.

More than 90% of the non-water mass of a person is hydrocarbon.
 
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We didn't see anything like a plane getting shredded in the videos.

Except for all the shredded wreckage continuing out the other side of the building, some of which was still recognizable as plane debris after crashing onto the ground.
 
You don't understand conservation of momentum, then.

In a collision between two objects...

Force ------> equals exactly
<------ Force

In the scenario being discussed, an airplane imparting a force in the northerly direction (having impacted the south face of WTC 2 as it was moving north) would have resulted in plane parts and debris traveling in the southerly direction. This was not seen.

Conservation of momentum doesn't mean the plane keeps going.

How does this apply to "objects" composed of many smaller objects and connections?
 
Do you find it odd that your perpetrators thought it was a good idea to fake airplane crashes when it would have been easier and "safer" (from their POV) to actually crash planes into the buildings?

If you had 3D projection technology, projecting an image of an airplane moving through the sky would be much easier than all that. Plus, in terms of the "safety" of the plot, actually hijacking a bunch of planes is extremely risky and could easily be foiled at a number of points along the way in the plan. So I think you're wrong about both ease and safety of the two different plans. Of course, you DO need the technology to fake an airplane in the daytime sky, but it remains to be seen if that's what actually was done. What I'm saying is that it was done and much easier and safer than actually hijacking airplanes.

What is more is that the attacks as I describe them are feasible, unlike the airplane crash conspiracy, which could not have resulted in a years-long stinking dust pile where huge steel buildings once stood.



Do you find it odd that their scheme somehow managed to fool virtually all acknowledged experts in the relevant fields (architecture, demolition, aeronautics, etc.) but didn't fool people with little to no expertise in said fields?

My understanding of psychology is that when people are exposed to trauma, they are vulnerable to suggestion. Also, in the years since 9/11, it has not been socially acceptable among scientists or anyone else to question the commonly understood version of events. Nobody likes to be called a traitor/scumbag/etc. Finally, the US government is not currently offering grant funding towards the investigation of the events of 9/11, and that's how most science gets done these days. Scientists do work that is funded by the government and very little else.


You set great store by your own training and expertise. Do you find that the general public tends to know more about biochemistry than those (like you) who have actual training and experience in that field?

No.
 

3D projection technology doesn't exist. Even in Star Trek it doesn't show up for a few hundred more years.

Cameras are not subject to trauma. They show planes impacting the buildings and their flaming wreckage continuing out the opposite side.
 
Oh, sure, that's where the damage to the plane and the tower began.

As the impact continued, and more of the plane piled in on top of the already shredded front portion, the wall of the building was also broken up and the mass of broken stuff moved inwards, due to (guess what?) conservation of momentum.

Conservation of momentum is different that what you describe. You are using the casual, non-scientific, definitions of "conservation" and "momentum" instead of sticking to the relevant equations.

The equations say that in every collision between two objects:

Force-----><------Force

If a plane exerted a force onto the south face of WTC 2, then the south face of WTC 2 would have exerted that same force on the plane, and we would have seen evidence of this second force in the videos.

The plane would have slowed down, crumpled, twisted, broken apart, and smashed against the aluminum-cladded steel exterior beams of WTC 2, and at least SOME of the plane parts would have bounced backwards.

I'm not saying a whole plane would have bounced off the south face of WTC 2, remaining intact. Some of a plane would have penetrated the building. Just not 100% of it. Some would have bounced back, and videos don't show this. Videos also do not depict crumpling, twisting, or a noticeable decrease in velocity of the plane-like object.
 
You don't understand conservation of momentum, then.

You appear to be describing a simple elastic collision between two equal masses rather than applying the conservation of momentum to the scenario being discussed.

Conservation of momentum means the combined centre of mass of the tower plus the plane does keep going. If the tower wasn't fixed to the ground, they would have kept on going.

You know, I'm not going to be able to convince you that I'm right. You're going to be the one who takes that step.

A few things you could do, if you are sincere in wanting to understand conservation of momentum, is look at slow motion replays of car crashes. In each case (every single case), parts of the cars bounce backwards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGLr72G0dOo Notice that I haven't seen every single car crash video out there, yet I'm still making this claim. The laws of physics do not change from day to day. Also, you could throw objects against walls over and over again while you contemplate why the objects bounce backwards off the wall.

Maybe you can answer this question. Let's imagine that you're throwing a one pound rock against a wall. The wall is ten feet tall and made of six inch thick steel plate, and is to your north. So you're throwing a one pound rock in the northerly direction. If the wall isn't there, the rock continues to travel in the northerly direction until it hits the ground. If the wall is there, at the moment that the rock hits the wall, it stops and changes direction. Why does the rock change direction, and head in the southerly direction, when the only force you added to the rock was in the northerly direction? What force caused the rock to travel south?
 
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...If you had 3D projection technology, projecting an image of an airplane moving through the sky would be much easier than all that...
Well, that would take care of the visual impression of the last few seconds before the 'crash'. Sadly the evidence for the existence of planes is not confined to a few seconds of visual images.

If you had a magic wand you could also fake the radar data and create false memories of the pretend planes and make a large number of people believe that the pretend crew and passengers were real people who had once been their family members, colleagues or friends.

Except that it's all a fantasy. Nobody has anything which can project a 3D image of a plane in the sky, so that is not an explanation for anything.
 
Conservation of momentum is different that what you describe. You are using the casual, non-scientific, definitions of "conservation" and "momentum" instead of sticking to the relevant equations.

The equations say that in every collision between two objects:

Force-----><------Force

If a plane exerted a force onto the south face of WTC 2, then the south face of WTC 2 would have exerted that same force on the plane, and we would have seen evidence of this second force in the videos.

The plane would have slowed down, crumpled, twisted, broken apart, and smashed against the aluminum-cladded steel exterior beams of WTC 2, and at least SOME of the plane parts would have bounced backwards.

I'm not saying a whole plane would have bounced off the south face of WTC 2, remaining intact. Some of a plane would have penetrated the building. Just not 100% of it. Some would have bounced back, and videos don't show this. Videos also do not depict crumpling, twisting, or a noticeable decrease in velocity of the plane-like object.

Find a video of a baseball being thrown at a glass window. How much of the baseball bounces backwards?

And you're still confusing Newton's second law with his third.


Actually, that's not right. His second law is about momentum, but isn't conservation. You're confusing conservation of momentum with Newton's third law of motion.
 
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You know, I'm not going to be able to convince you that I'm right. You're going to be the one who takes that step.

A few things you could do, if you are sincere in wanting to understand conservation of momentum, is look at slow motion replays of car crashes. In each case (every single case), parts of the cars bounce backwards.

Notice that I haven't seen every single car crash video out there, yet I'm still making this claim. The laws of physics do not change from day to day.

I guarantee you that if a car was crashed into the WTC at 500 miles per hour NONE of it would "bounce backwards". It's ridiculous!
 
Conservation of momentum is different that what you describe. You are using the casual, non-scientific, definitions of "conservation" and "momentum" instead of sticking to the relevant equations.

The equations say that in every collision between two objects:

Force-----><------Force

Equations? You are not describing conservation of momentum at all. You are describing Newton's 3rd law of motion.

Conservation of momentum is not "Force-----><------Force", it's m1v1 + m2v2 = m1v1' + m2v2'
 
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