Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[TheL8Elvis]

The investigation did not end with Serino's findings.



No, that's how it does work.

If the evidence against Zimmerman is lacking to the point that he should not have been charged, a motion of dismissal would have been filed and granted a long time ago.

It wasn't.

O'Mara also passed up on another opportunity to make this all go way in the cancelled immunity hearing. Should have been a cakewalk since there isn't even enough evidence to justify Zimmerman's arrest.

So apparently, O'Mara wants to go through with a lengthy, expensive, and pointless trial and leave his client's fate in the hands of potentially biased jurors instead of availing himself of the legal procedures in place for the express purpose of dealing with wrongful and unwarranted prosecution...

... for some unknown reason.

Yeah, I don't know why he passed it up. You would have to ask him. You have been given reasons why he would, but for some reason you keep ignoring them and continue asking....

For the second part, I already gave you one possible reason - MOM wants to win the case and become famous as the man who defended GZ.

 

[sgtbaker]

So where in George's story did someone throw the flashlight like a shot put? Go back to the walk through and ask yourself, when he's describing the stumble walk, where the flashlight went that was in his hands, per his own story?

He says he had it in his hands while walking back to his truck. When did he drop it?

The point is, the Jr high shot put is heavy and difficult to throw (It was probably more like 14-15 yards). An object getting knocked 50 feet, during a fight, is not that shocking. Fifty feet not a huge amount of space. I don't know when the flashlight went down and neither do you which is why it is simply silly for you to claim that your version is the only logical possibility.

 

[Unabogie]

The point is, the Jr high shot put is heavy and difficult to throw (It was probably more like 14-15 yards). An object getting knocked 50 feet, during a fight, is not that shocking. Fifty feet not a huge amount of space. I don't know when the flashlight went down and neither do you which is why it is simply silly for you to claim that your version is the only logical possibility.

No, an object like a flashlight getting knocked 50 feet across grass, at night, is absurd. And it ending up 8 feet past where the body ended up is just about impossible. And you still didn't address how it was in his hands before the fight, but in his walk through, he demonstrates fighting with both hands. Witnesses saw them wrestling. He did not have his flashlight in his hands during the fight. That's not silly to say. And so I'm still waiting to hear how he had it in his hands, stumble/walked without it in his hands (per his own story) and yet it still ended up 50 feet to south, past where he claims he was being held down and beaten.

 

[Rare Truth]

No comment? Anyone?

Trayvon Martin's parents settle wrongful death claim
Updated: 37 minutes ago SANFORD - Trayvon Martin's parents have settled a wrongful death claim for an amount believed to be more than $1 million against the homeowners association of the Sanford subdivision where their teenage son was killed.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Can we all agree with the fact this is a good thing for the grieving parents?

 

[Unabogie]

No comment? Anyone?

Trayvon Martin's parents settle wrongful death claim
Updated: 37 minutes ago SANFORD - Trayvon Martin's parents have settled a wrongful death claim for an amount believed to be more than $1 million against the homeowners association of the Sanford subdivision where their teenage son was killed.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Can we all agree with the fact this is a good thing for the grieving parents?

Yes, I think it's wonderful. I also look forward to them taking all of George's filthy lucre. It'll be ironic that all of the money he'll have will come from the same racists who keep donating to his defense fund. In the end, they'll just send that money right to the Martin family, which serves them right.

 

[Cylinder]

But it can't have been a right hook. Again, we have evidence. George claims that he was hit once in the nose, breaking it, knocking him down IMMEDIATELY. But we also know the cut was on the right side of his face, meaning the blow came from his left, meaning that it would knock him NORTH.

He was facing south when he was approached, remember?

And that doesn't explain how the flashlight is kicked 50 feet from there. That's not possible. I doubt you could THROW the thing that far if you tried.

Recycled argument.

On one side of the scale we have three witnesses agreeing that there were three exchanges, then an altercation. Two of those, independant of the other, agree this occurred near the T.

On the other side we have incredulity based on your own assumption.

Even accepting for argument that Zimmmerman had to be knocked north, what constrains the rest of the movement to any particular direction?

 

[Giz]

No comment? Anyone?
SANFORD - Trayvon Martin's parents have settled a wrongful death claim for an amount believed to be more than $1 million against the homeowners association of the Sanford subdivision where their teenage son was killed.
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Can we all agree with the fact this is a good thing for the grieving parents?

Obviously it's a good thing for the parents. I wonder why the homeowners association is liable though? It's not as if GZ was acting in a NW capacity, or on a NW patrol... so why did they settle? Seems a little harsh on all the homeowners...

 

[Rare Truth]

Obviously it's a good thing for the parents. I wonder why the homeowners association is liable though? It's not as if GZ was acting in a NW capacity, or on a NW patrol... so why did they settle? Seems a little harsh on all the homeowners...

Yes, he was. And that's why they paid.

 

[Rare Truth]

I posted this last June:

NW is a 24/7 eyes and ears role. There is no "punch in" or on the clock detail for members of the NW, and with GZ as "captain," whenever anything or anyone was deemed suspicious, then they are acting in the NW capacity.

HEck, flyers for the entire community were printed up by the Police with GZ's name on it to be the NW contact; they were posted up all over the common areas - they even had refrigerator magnets with Zimmerman's name on it, then 300 "contact cards" with Zimmerman's name on it.

In what strange world does a 24/7 person suddenly become absolved of a 24/7 duty he takes on just because he goes on an errand, when he himself calls in a suspicious person in his neighborhood - especially given he was no where near his own residence?

Make no mistake - the NW at Twin Lakes was George's baby. He was the father. On his way out on a trip to the store didn't make him any less a daddy to that baby.

 

[Dcdrac]

how was TM supposed to know GZ was neighbourhood Watch? do you read posters you see on the streets?

Bottom line is GZ caused this he did not have to get out of the car, it was all based on an assumption he made.

 

[Giz]

I posted this last June:

NW is a 24/7 eyes and ears role. There is no "punch in" or on the clock detail for members of the NW, and with GZ as "captain," whenever anything or anyone was deemed suspicious, then they are acting in the NW capacity.

HEck, flyers for the entire community were printed up by the Police with GZ's name on it to be the NW contact; they were posted up all over the common areas - they even had refrigerator magnets with Zimmerman's name on it, then 300 "contact cards" with Zimmerman's name on it.

In what strange world does a 24/7 person suddenly become absolved of a 24/7 duty he takes on just because he goes on an errand, when he himself calls in a suspicious person in his neighborhood - especially given he was no where near his own residence?

Make no mistake - the NW at Twin Lakes was George's baby. He was the father. On his way out on a trip to the store didn't make him any less a daddy to that baby.

So having flyers (with a contact number!) put up made them liable for $million damages?

Sounds crazy when you put it that way...

(I bet the residents association wishes they'd just periodically left bags of money, totaling less than $1m, at the entrance way that would-be burglars could just pick up and walk off with... obviously actually trying to spot criminals and report them to the police is a very expensive non-starter.)

 

[Cylinder]

So having flyers (with a contact number!) put up made them liable for $million damages?

Sounds crazy when you put it that way...

(I bet the residents association wishes they'd just periodically left bags of money, totaling less than $1m, at the entrance way that would-be burglars could just pick up and walk off with... obviously actually trying to spot criminals and report them to the police is a very expensive non-starter.)

It was the insurance company - not the HOA - that settled with the Martins.

 

[Dan O.]

Neither am I.

That doesn't address the point though - if you have evidence to the contrary, why don't you present it and quit playing coy ?

Your question is misdirected. You should be asking phonebook to support his claim. It sounds like a bogus claim on it's face because not all crimes are solved or even have suspects so i first questioned him on that basis. When he repeated the claim i did a quick search and discovered that there was contrary information.

I haven't done a complete search to document all the b&e's in the neighborhood. Its something that should have been done long ago when the problem was noted. Doesn't this neighborhood have a liason with the police department that could gather this information to better inform the neighbors what the current problems are to watch out for?

 

[Rare Truth]

It was the insurance company - not the HOA - that settled with the Martins.

Yes, the insurance company FOR the HOA.

 

[johnny karate]

Recycled argument.

On one side of the scale we have three witnesses agreeing that there were three exchanges, then an altercation.

No, we have three witnesses agreeing there was an argument.

Where in any of Zimmerman's accounts does he describe or claim he was in an argument with Martin?

Two of those, independant of the other, agree this occurred near the T.

On the other side we have incredulity based on your own assumption.

Even accepting for argument that Zimmmerman had to be knocked north, what constrains the rest of the movement to any particular direction?

The only incredulity is in how Zimmerman described the altercation.

He doesn't describe an argument, he doesn't describe wrestling, he doesn't describe a fight moving over the course of 40 to 50 feet.

He describes himself immediately being set upon and rendered helpless under the unprovoked and devastating barrage of punches, smothering attempts, and head-slams of Martin.

And again, if things were as simple as Zimmerman's narrative being supported by evidence and witness testimony, he'd be taking the stand later this month in his cakewalk of an immuity hearing.

But he's not. Because of riots and politics or something.

 

[sgtbaker]

No, an object like a flashlight getting knocked 50 feet across grass, at night, is absurd. And it ending up 8 feet past where the body ended up is just about impossible. And you still didn't address how it was in his hands before the fight, but in his walk through, he demonstrates fighting with both hands. Witnesses saw them wrestling. He did not have his flashlight in his hands during the fight. That's not silly to say. And so I'm still waiting to hear how he had it in his hands, stumble/walked without it in his hands (per his own story) and yet it still ended up 50 feet to south, past where he claims he was being held down and beaten.

Again, it surprises me that his word is gold when you need to prove something but when it's contrary to your theory, it's all lies. I don't recall him ever specifically mentioning when the flashlight went down, probably because he does not remember. I am not turning it into my version beats yours because they are both entirely imagination. All I am saying is, it is entirely possible for the flashlight to end up far from the initial confrontation because things do get moved about in a scuffle, as I have seen, with my own eyes, witnessing fights when I was a kid.

 

[tsig]

Yeah, I don't know why he passed it up. You would have to ask him. You have been given reasons why he would, but for some reason you keep ignoring them and continue asking....

For the second part, I already gave you one possible reason - MOM wants to win the case and become famous as the man who defended GZ.

MOM is unethical?

 

[12AX7]

So having flyers (with a contact number!) put up made them liable for $million damages?

Sounds crazy when you put it that way...

(I bet the residents association wishes they'd just periodically left bags of money, totaling less than $1m, at the entrance way that would-be burglars could just pick up and walk off with... obviously actually trying to spot criminals and report them to the police is a very expensive non-starter.)

George saw someone he felt was suspicious. As NW, he called it in to law enforcement. That was (or should have been) the end of his involvement with it There was to be no persuing of suspicious persons. The NW SOP said it, HE said it, the Sanford PD said it. Done. That's it. Here it is again:

1. See something suspicious?
2. Call it in.

That's it.

See, if George had stayed in his vehicle after following the above advice, we wouldn't be having this conversation and an unarmed teenager who did nothing wrong and had a right to be where he was would still be alive.

But since these ******** always get away, George became more than a NW "Captain". George began to act outside his NW role. Remember, his NW had a policy of not persuing suspicious persons. And since it's a safe bet the NW program was approved by the HOA, therein lies their role in it and subsequent settlement.

 

[Dan O.]

It was the insurance company - not the HOA - that settled with the Martins.

It sounds like the insurance company chose to settle early and cut their looses. If the homeowners suit had drug on past a verdict in the criminal trial their legal fees would probably exceed the settlement and the blowback from an acquittal could blow a jury settlement up many fold.

 

[Mister Earl]

Again, it surprises me that his word is gold when you need to prove something but when it's contrary to your theory, it's all lies. I don't recall him ever specifically mentioning when the flashlight went down, probably because he does not remember. I am not turning it into my version beats yours because they are both entirely imagination. All I am saying is, it is entirely possible for the flashlight to end up far from the initial confrontation because things do get moved about in a scuffle, as I have seen, with my own eyes, witnessing fights when I was a kid.

And those scuffles happen when both combatants are on their feet. If the fight goes to the ground, it tends to start there and end there. I've never seen a fight taken to the dirt travel fifty feet.