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Proof of Life After Death!!

Robin1 said:
An open mind ...means consider it all...and weigh it all.
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After you've done that you eventually come to a conclusion. I concluded there was no life after death and even if there was it wouldn't matter since most folk don't seem to know what to do with the life they have and need a fantasy to tell them how to live.
 
Wow me? Condescending? I'm an idiot. And open always to reevalution. I grew up raised to think "homosexuality" was an abomination. And I believed it. Until, my loving brother told me he was gay. And there is no sweeter, kinder brother, ever. Ever..
It didn't take me too long to see the error of my ways but ,by the grace of God.
 
azzthom said:
That's a very strange attitude for someone who claims to sit on university boards. Could you tell us which universities? In what capacity? You claimed to have students in another thread, so what subject do you teach?
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Could it be Santa Rosa Junior College, by any chance?
 
Robin1 said:
Wow me? Condescending? I'm an idiot. And open always to reevalution. I grew up raised to think "homosexuality" was an abomination. And I believed it. Until, my loving brother told me he was gay. And there is no sweeter, kinder brother, ever. Ever..
It didn't take me too long to see the error of my ways but ,by the grace of God.
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I say this nicely; Yet with I would wager far more evidence than it took for you to accept your brother, you champion John Edward over and over despite his abysmal track record.
 
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Nay_Sayer said:
I say this nicely, Yet with I would wager far more evidence than it took for you to accept your brother you champion John Edward over and over despite his abysmal track record.
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It looks like understanding John Edward is a fraud can only be arrived at through a similarly emotional experience and not through reasoned consideration.
 
Historical products of people thinking with their guts:

- belief that doing a rain dance made it rain

- belief that examining the entrails of a freshly slaughtered goat enabled you to tell the future

- belief that sacrificing a virgin would placate the god that lived in the nearby volcano

- belief that thunder and lightning meant the gods were angry

- medical treatments that were at best useless and at worst made sick people sicker

- millions of people taken in by frauds and crackpots

- lives that were mostly nasty, brutish and short

Historical products of disregarding your gut in favour of what evidence and reasoned argument tell you:

- every useful discovery ever made

- doubling of the average human lifespan

- comfortable lives

- medical treatments that actually work

- people avoiding being relieved of their life savings by conmen and crackpots
 
Robin1 said:
Wow me? Condescending? I'm an idiot. And open always to reevalution. I grew up raised to think "homosexuality" was an abomination. And I believed it. Until, my loving brother told me he was gay. And there is no sweeter, kinder brother, ever. Ever..
It didn't take me too long to see the error of my ways but ,by the grace of God.
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Your brother is god?
 
azzthom said:
That's a very strange attitude for someone who claims to sit on university boards. Could you tell us which universities? In what capacity? You claimed to have students in another thread, so what subject do you teach?
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I took that to mean that he particpates in forums, i.e. "discussion boards", not that he's on the board of any university. YMMV.

I have no doubt Mike will be back and try to dodge the big "personal insight and belief" question raised by Pixel42. How do we determine which True Believer's insights are gained through proper meditation and being in touch with whatever the hell it is you think you're in touch with? The believers in the Big Sky Daddy who told them to fly planes into buildings? The ones who got on their big horsies and decided to take back the Holy Land? The lady in Okmulgee whose deity spoke to her and told her to drown her kids?
 
And I would love to know... many on here have said they have had what they thought were paranormal experiences but later on realized they were not . I'm really interested in experiences or "signs" from your deceased loved ones. Even though you don't think it was real. Probably just a coincidence. Humor me. What is your best story? And what was your non paranormal explanation for it?
 
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Leaving aside the far more likely mundane explanations, what makes you think coincidences are signs from deceased loved ones rather than some other paranormal explanation?
 
I'm gonna lay it on the line here (and be unpopular with many). I believe we DO have some kind of afterlife, but I don't believe it has anything to do with a particular deity, and I don't believe it can be proved - because once you're gone, you're gone. You're somewhere else entirely with little or no connection to "this realm/existence/etc".

In MY world, you also don't have to be a dick trying to cram your own "beliefs" (whether or not science and fact-based, unless there is a possibility of imminent dnger) down anyone else's throat.

But I am probably just obtuse.

And feeling older than I am.
 
Have other people come across mind-energy.net/skeptiko podcast. (If this doesn't turn into link, can someone do it for me.

Otherwise, just enter that into Google.

For real fun, go to the thread "James Randi is a debunker". It's hilarious.

They don't like anyone challenging Waddington's CoWDunG.

I've been temporarily banned from it! Success recognition at last!

If you do try it, start at post 149. I'm the same Paul W there.

(My wife has just called me "a pain". She didn't say to who and where. How well she knows me.)
 
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Robin1 said:
And I would love to know... many on here have said they have had what they thought were paranormal experiences but later on realized they were not . I'm really interested in experiences or "signs" from your deceased loved ones. Even though you don't think it was real. Probably just a coincidence. Humor me. What is your best story? And what was your non paranormal explanation for it?
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Well, discounting Rule 1*, never.


*Rule 1 - Anything you say in order to get some nookie is okay. "Gee, Ms. Malkin, I find that point very interesting. Care to continue this discussion in the hot tub?"
 
Robin1 said:
An open mind ...means consider it all...and weigh it all.
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Many times there is nothing to weigh; a ghost story, a palm reading, a feeting glimpse of a peripheral something . . . to make a concrete statement about the physical universe from these subjective experiences does not explain anything. In fact, it fosters confusion.

An open mind considers the phenomenon, weighs the evidence, the possibilities, then comes to a conclusion that can only be provisional in most cases. Sometimes that conclusion is "I dunno." And that's okay.

What isn't okay is leaping to a conclusion because you have a fanciful, comfortable parachute; eventually, you're gonna fall anyway, and as we've seen, fall for something that has material cost.
 
Robin1 said:
...And when I am really, really , really old, I look forward to hangin' out in Heaven with all the atheists, gays, transgenders , Catholics, Muslims, Jews etc. etc. who lived their lives being kind.
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It's a pleasant fantasy, l won't deny that. I hope for your sake though that one day you will get to experience the satisfaction that comes from living with actual reality, and not needing a construct to assuage the fear of death.
 
Robin1 said:
And I would love to know... many on here have said they have had what they thought were paranormal experiences but later on realized they were not . I'm really interested in experiences or "signs" from your deceased loved ones. Even though you don't think it was real. Probably just a coincidence. Humor me. What is your best story? And what was your non paranormal explanation for it?
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Right after my dad died I had a long dream where he told me he was OK and doing fine, my explanation is that I was asleep and dreaming.
 
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