Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Rare Truth]

Don't make me post another pic...

 

[Darkman]

All i posted originally was this, here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9103890#post9103890

... and then look how it went after that ...

who brought up race, gold teeth etc..

 

[Darkman]

see ... after i posted the above post .. was asked a question .. answered it .. politely ... and then got this in reply:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9103947#post9103947

who brought up tats and gold teeth?

 

[sgtbaker]

Perhaps this will help: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1621673-Voice-Latency-Test-Results

They also show a typical delay of 150ms.

The call is being recorded at the dispatchers end. When the dispatcher speaks, his voice immediately goes to the recorder. His voice also goes through the phone network and gets buffered in the phone so the phone can do noise reduction in case of missing packets from the network. George hears these words about 150ms or more after the dispatcher spoke them. The sounds from the car are encoded by the phone and transmitted through the network where they get delayed again before being passed on to the dispatcher and the recorder. If George makes a noise the instant he hears the dispatcher say "which", that noise will be recorded 400ms after the "which".

You are talking milliseconds, that's 1/1000th of a second. It takes three to four hundred milliseconds to blink and the average human reaction time is around 215 milliseconds. It takes a full second for the dispatcher to finish the question, "which way is he running?" So even with the delay, subtract four hundred from a thousand and you still have 600 ms, well within the normal range for humans to react to "Which way..."

 

[sgtbaker]

Of course I believe GZ called the NEN and followed TM because TM was black. GZ had a crime thing for young black males. You need only read his history of calls placed to the police, even before he move to RATL.

In the beginning of the NEN call, he wasn't even sure if he was black.

From January 1, 2011 through February 26, 2012, police were called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times.[69] During the 18 months preceding the February 26 shooting, Zimmerman called the non-emergency police line seven times. On five of those calls, Zimmerman reported suspicious looking men in the area, but never offered the men's race without first being asked by the dispatcher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Background_of_the_shooting

Five calls in the past 18 months were regarding young black males. There was a crime issue and if you read the entire article, GZ was not the only person to call police on young black males. For a more well rounded opinion, I would be very interested in seeing how many of those other calls were regarding young black males.

 

[Dan O.]

You are talking milliseconds, that's 1/1000th of a second. It takes three to four hundred milliseconds to blink and the average human reaction time is around 215 milliseconds. It takes a full second for the dispatcher to finish the question, "which way is he running?" So even with the delay, subtract four hundred from a thousand and you still have 600 ms, well within the normal range for humans to react to "Which way..."

Are you reading on a cell phone that doesn't display pictures? Or, have you somehow not bothered to actually read what I posted?

 

[Darkman]

George Zimmerman's Attorney Responds To Robert Zimmerman's Racist Tweet (DETAILS)

Posted 43 min 56 sec ago by Staff Writer for Global Grind Staff

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-...sponds-robert-zimmermans-racist-tweet-details

 

[phonebook]

Who is saying "solely"? Look who's being the racist now.

Of course I believe GZ called the NEN and followed TM because TM was black. GZ had a crime thing for young black males. You need only read his history of calls placed to the police, even before he move to RATL.

snip for length

GZs actions were motivated by TMs race. Do you think for one minute that if TM was white, GZ would have given him a second glance?

There's one for ya. Also, I imagine you are familiar with the phrase "walking while black" frequently tossed around by many of those inclined to believe (or totally convinced that) GZ is guilty.

 

[Darkman]

Benjamin Crump: Judge, don't make me answer questions from George Zimmerman's lawyers

By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
10:22 a.m. EDT, March 27, 2013

The attorney for Trayvon Martin's family says the judge should stick with her original ruling.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...zimmerman-crump-depo-20130327,0,5147520.story

 

[Dan O.]

There's one for ya. Also, I imagine you are familiar with the phrase "walking while black" frequently tossed around by many of those inclined to believe (or totally convinced that) GZ is guilty.

Did KatieG say she thinks George would call the police on every black person? Surely George has seen black people and not called the police. If we look at George's history, his calls seem to predominantly on young black males in his neighborhood. There's 4 cofactors in that and only one of them is black.


ETA: the phrase "walking while black" was around long before Zimmerman.

 

[phonebook]

Do you believe that George's actions would have been identical if Trayvon had been white? Do you believe that the outcome of the encounter would have been the same?

For whatever "what I believe" is worth, I believe that GZ's actions would have been sufficiently similar had TM somehow been white, and acted, dressed, behaved, etc., identically to the way TM did that night. In other words, I believe the fact that TM was black definitely played some part in GZ's assumptions that night, especially in regards to his apparent belief that TM may have actually been one of the previous burglars coming back to the area to engage in some sort of criminally-motivated activity. I believe the outcome would have been the same.

Cause unless you do then it doesn't matter whether George's actions were solely motivated by TM's race.The degree to which they were motivated by race was sufficient to result in Trayvon's death.

I'm under the impression that it was TM's actions and choices that night that lead to his death, specifically his choice to confront GZ and attack him (that's what I believe happened).

I now have a question for you: If the previous ~8 burglaries in the ~15 months leading up to the night in question hadn't been perpetrated by young, black males, do you think GZ would have been suspicious of TM that night? What if there hadn't been any burglaries at all?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Of course I believe GZ called the NEN and followed TM because TM was black. GZ had a crime thing for young black males. You need only read his history of calls placed to the police, even before he move to RATL.

This is a skeptic forum. If you'd like to provide links to your claims, I'll be happy to read them and try to see how you come to your conclusions.

Don't forget, those same calls demonstrate that GZ never tried to catch anyone.

They also demonstrate that he was really bad with street names and directions.

ETA: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/12/justice/florida-teen-shooting
In an interview with FBI agents in March, investigator Chris Serino told authorities he "believed that Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's skin color, rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community," according to an FBI report.

"Serino described Zimmerman as overzealous and as having 'a little hero complex,' but not as a racist.

Many of Zimmerman's neighbors, whose identities are redacted, told federal agents they did not know him. Those who did had nothing derogatory to say about him.

It's just the people on the Internet who have never met him.

 

[phonebook]

Did KatieG say she thinks George would call the police on every black person? Surely George has seen black people and not called the police. If we look at George's history, his calls seem to predominantly on young black males in his neighborhood. There's 4 cofactors in that and only one of them is black.


ETA: the phrase "walking while black" was around long before Zimmerman.

You'll have to ask her to clarify her statement.

 

[KatieG]

What racial garbage?

Didn't Trayvon have gold teeth (in front anyhow)?
I saw another pic of him where one can see them...
--- actually here it is, from MSM such as Orlando Sentinel:

[qimg]http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2012-03/69084627.JPG[/qimg]

Source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...rtin-pictures-20120328,0,3247003.photogallery (pic #3 in the photogallery)

...but here is the one from WIKI:

[qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Trayvon_Martin_on_the_backseat_of_a_car.png[/qimg]​

Surely you can see TM having some gold teeth....

As to TM's weight etc .. WIKI for example says this:




So possibly even he was more than 150 lb somewhat ... and believe you me ... he did have some muscles on him ... was in a better shape than GZ .. a football player ...
Which doesn't matter anyhow .. - what matter IS - "who started up the fight" .. and if GZ was in fear of his life, when was being beat up etc, regardless how severe his beating might appear to you or anyone else.

to follow one ... and even approach one (even though ... who knows who approached who that night) .. and ask one a question is NOT an offence .. to punch someone in the nose .. and to start a fight - IS however.

So even if GZ wasn't 6.3 or 6.2 ... as the dude mentions in the video, it doesn't mean that I can't enjoy the other stuff he is saying or how he is saying it .. manner of speech etc etc.

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Source for Wiki info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Do you think the medical examiner just wrote down "more than 150 pounds, somewhat" on his report?

Also, when you source something, mixing your personal opinion in with actual data takes away from your point. It makes it difficult to understand.

 

[KatieG]

This is a skeptic forum. If you'd like to provide links to your claims, I'll be happy to read them and try to see how you come to your conclusions.

Don't forget, those same calls demonstrate that GZ never tried to catch anyone.

They also demonstrate that he was really bad with street names and directions.

ETA: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/12/justice/florida-teen-shooting
In an interview with FBI agents in March, investigator Chris Serino told authorities he "believed that Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's skin color, rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community," according to an FBI report.

"Serino described Zimmerman as overzealous and as having 'a little hero complex,' but not as a racist.

Many of Zimmerman's neighbors, whose identities are redacted, told federal agents they did not know him. Those who did had nothing derogatory to say about him.

It's just the people on the Internet who have never met him.

I said I believe. GZs propensity for calling the police is documented in the history of his calls.

 

[sgtbaker]

Are you reading on a cell phone that doesn't display pictures? Or, have you somehow not bothered to actually read what I posted?

I actually was reading it on my phone, originally. I went upstairs to my computer in hopes of being able to actually read the fine print, to see where each individual noise was coming from, maybe with larger print, I could see a link to where this information was coming from that gave a better description of the image but nothing was there. You then went on to argue in the following post about milliseconds and I explained that even with if you subtract for the delay, there is almost three times the amount of time for the average human reaction time from the moment the dispatcher says, "Which way," and George getting out of the car. It would be helpful if you showed where the sound wave was coming from, perhaps with a label for each individual sound spike.

 

[phonebook]

I said I believe. GZs propensity for calling the police is documented in the history of his calls.

Perhaps GZ gave the white burglars a helping hand in carrying out the particularly heavy loot that would have been a strain on their backs.

 

[12AX7]

Don't make me post another pic...

OH! I got one! I got a pic that makes George's supporters upset!

And please don't tell me other stuff, that also DOESN'T MATTER .. stuff like: "he wasn't being beaten .. he wasn't being beaten severe enough ... it was nothing .. etc"

I agree.

I mean, just look at the savage severity of this beating. This was a few hours after the incident. Poor George. I can see why he had no choice but to shoot; his life was clearly in danger.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I said I believe. GZs propensity for calling the police is documented in the history of his calls.

I saw what you wrote.
I'm sorry, I didn't know what that actually meant was "I have no evidence, and I don't care what the evidence is, and I don't want to talk about it"

I don't think a "propensity for calling the police" is indicative of murder 2, or racism.

 

[Darkman]

Katie .. I am done bickering about couple extra pounds "less" or "more"

Bottom line is evidence and who did what .. Who hit who in the nose, who was beating up on who, smashing one's head on concrete, ground, earth etc .. and who thought his life was in danger ...

The rest: lbs, gold teeth, tats etc .. are minor side details ... -- that simply show TM was not a little 13 year old innocent boy etc that MSM claimed at first.