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Frankly I can't think of a less effective form of debate than the one that Jabba seems to be attempting.
Miracle of the Shroud / Blood on the shroud
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Jabba
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- To see my question on the Shroudie cite, go to http://shroudstory.com/.
- Go down the right-hand menu to "comments."
- I just got an answer.
--- Jabba
- Go down the right-hand menu to "comments."
- I just got an answer.
--- Jabba
Akhenaten
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Akhenaten
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On the what?
Why?
Is the whole concept of hyperlinks completely lost on you?
Looky here!
Yeah, and that answer was basically "Do some research."
There's a surprise.
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Akhenaten
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Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
I went there and found this :
http://shroudstory.com/2013/03/17/scorching-theory-pseudoscience-or-miracle/
I am not sure what i read. I hope I did not get a stroke. Or maybe lost some neuron.
Then there is this :
http://shroudstory.com/2013/03/18/the-curious-a-in-the-hungarian-pray-manuscript/
Which does not seem to have anything to do.
Or this:
http://shroudstory.com/2012/09/21/an-open-thread-for-rich-savage-questions/
where at the end I see this :
I assume we are speaking about Thibauld Heimburger.
The one from here : http://shroudofturin.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/scorch-paper-en.pdf
And i get the feeling we are led to another pseudoscientific evaluation from a person not having published it per peer review. At least that's my 5 minute gut feeling check tells me.
Akhenaten
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I'm almost surprised that poor, sad delusionaut didn't suggest kryptonite rather than gold.
John Jones
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What the heck? How long have you been waiting, and how long will you continue to wait?
This line of 'reasoning' i.e. withholding assent to the best explanation available makes you come across as disingenuous.
Jabba
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My form of debate
- You guys haven't let me use my form of debate.
- Give me one friendly "spokesperson," or "gatekeeper," who will cooperate with me as I try to keep narrowing our focus. I will cooperate with your spokesperson as he or she tries to narrow their own choice of focus.
- I think those are the keys to effective debate. Eventually, we'll either resolve a basic disagreement, or precisely identify a basic disagreement for which neither of us has anything more to say, and can -- momentarily at least -- agree to disagree.
- Then, we can go on to the next basic disagreement.
- Eventually, we'll get to a point where neither of us has much more to say and any heretofore neutral members of an audience can judge for themselves as to who has the best argument.
- For the moment, I'm focusing on the possibility that the carbon dating sample involved a patch.
--- Jabba
Wollery,
- You guys haven't let me use my form of debate.
- Give me one friendly "spokesperson," or "gatekeeper," who will cooperate with me as I try to keep narrowing our focus. I will cooperate with your spokesperson as he or she tries to narrow their own choice of focus.
- I think those are the keys to effective debate. Eventually, we'll either resolve a basic disagreement, or precisely identify a basic disagreement for which neither of us has anything more to say, and can -- momentarily at least -- agree to disagree.
- Then, we can go on to the next basic disagreement.
- Eventually, we'll get to a point where neither of us has much more to say and any heretofore neutral members of an audience can judge for themselves as to who has the best argument.
- For the moment, I'm focusing on the possibility that the carbon dating sample involved a patch.
--- Jabba
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<shoots self>
Jabba
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A patch that absolutely nobody noticed despite this being the most careful carbon dating ever performed? Are you accusing those involved with the tests of lying, incompetence, or both?
Mashuna
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It's hard to tell, it's not much more ridiculous than many of the theories you've come up with.
Cheesy One
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I'm not sure if I've ever seen someone debate as you have Jabba. You arguments aren't very convincing either.
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John Jones
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What makes you think you get a gatekeeper? Nobody else around here seems to need one.
You keep saying you're focusing on the possibility of a patch. Where? When? How? You don't appear to be doing any research in that direction.
Akhenaten
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This looks like a
Go ahead, Jabba.
Make our day.
Are you aware on any level that the previous twenty explanations that you've been given for the total unacceptibility of this ridiculous proposal remain
How does your inability to remember what you've already said (or not said) fit into this genius-wrought plan?
What about the fact that everyone else already agrees to agree that you have no idea what you're talking about?
You haven't even begun to deal with the first one yet. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
We reached that point months ago.
Any number of us here, myself included, had no opinion one way or the other about the shroud until we read this thread, and now, having had the opportunity to review the evidence the overwhelming consensus is "fake!"
<borrows sleepy_lioness' gun>
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Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
Possibly, but after 10 lines in I stopped reading the gobblygock.
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
I think I see now Jabba's tactic : winning by surviving the opposing team.
Akhenaten
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