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[tsig]

Oh I, unlike you, definitely read and comprehend stuff placed before us before we dismiss, scorn and defile. It is soooo much more fulfilling. As for those who just glance...amateurs, the lot of them. But then there is an even worse group of people...those who dont even glance at or refuse top do so at the evidence presented to them. Who am I thinking of here....

Oh, Oh! I'm getting a hot chest here, does the letter J mean anything?

 

[Empress]

I initiated this thread to correct misinformation and to ANSWER genuine questions regarding the ACTUAL beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church which were being asked off topic in another thread.

The problem is, you haven't actually done that. Pup, RandFan, Cat Tale, and I have answered far more questions in this thread than you could ever hope to with your copypasta. I think people genuinely want to hear your opinions on matters, and would enjoy reading them, if you would only give them. Look how receptive people have been to another active LDS: Cat Tale. Why? Because she actually discusses matters, she doesn't just insist that people read your scriptures.

On the plus side, you've probably done a marvelous job of dissuading any lurkers who might have been contemplating becoming a Mormon, to give the whole thing a miss.

 

[Mister Earl]

I initiated this thread to correct misinformation and to ANSWER genuine questions regarding the ACTUAL beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church which were being asked off topic in another thread.

Frankly, no, no you aren't. I've asked you the same question four times now. The only time you responded to me is via PM, saying "Why would you ask me a question like that?" I answered, and that's all the further we ever got.

 

[Pixel42]

Pixel42, I am not the one asking nor do I have any enquiries

I initiated this thread to correct misinformation and to ANSWER genuine questions regarding the ACTUAL beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church which were being asked off topic in another thread.

The first time you refused to read, let alone respond to, evidence of the invalidity of these "answers" you forefeited your right to expect anyone to read anything else you posted ever again.

 

[Craig4]

Pixel42, I am not the one asking nor do I have any enquiries

I initiated this thread to correct misinformation and to ANSWER genuine questions regarding the ACTUAL beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church which were being asked off topic in another thread.

Any other matters should be the subject of other threads.

You've accomplished nothing of the sort. Nothing you've posted in any way supports Smith's "translation" of the Book of Abraham. You've not addressed the errors in the Book of Mormon where Smith gets the history and anthropology of the Pre Colombian Americas completely wrong. You might have started this thread with the intent to spread the inaccuracies which you believe to be true but that's just nothing anyone here will let you get away with.

There's really no fix for this. The LDS don't have a perception problem, they have a reality problem. No banal claims on your part can make barley have been cultivated in by Mezo-Americans prior to Columbus. You can't make the Book of Abraham say what it says. It's really time that you come to grips with the fact that your beliefs are incorrect. I'm not saying spiritually or philosophically but that your beliefs are demonstrably and factually wrong. There's nothing you can do to change this.

 

[Mister Earl]

There's really no fix for this. The LDS don't have a perception problem, they have a reality problem. No banal claims on your part can make barley have been cultivated in by Mezo-Americans prior to Columbus. You can't make the Book of Abraham say what it says. It's really time that you come to grips with the fact that your beliefs are incorrect. I'm not saying spiritually or philosophically but that your beliefs are demonstrably and factually wrong. There's nothing you can do to change this.

Agreed. And I'd like to add that this reality will not change, and the inaccuracies will not go away, simply by believing harder. Life simply does not work that way.

 

[RandFan]

Pixel42, I am not the one asking nor do I have any enquiries

I initiated this thread to correct misinformation and to ANSWER genuine questions regarding the ACTUAL beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church which were being asked off topic in another thread.

Any other matters should be the subject of other threads.

You are not likely to correct much if you cannot answer questions. Acting like a Stepford wife is a poor way of getting others interested in your beliefs.

 

[kerikiwi]

Pixel42, I am not the one asking nor do I have any enquiries

I initiated this thread to correct misinformation and to ANSWER genuine questions regarding the ACTUAL beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church which were being asked off topic in another thread.

Any other matters should be the subject of other threads.

So how about that barley and steel, not to mention horses?
Or are they not part of ACTUAL beliefs and teachings?
These are genuine questions.
Please ANSWER

 

[halleyscomet]

To me a saint is defined as a praticularly prominent member of whichever faith, who has gone above and beyond the call of duty. Nonetheless, some faiths define every true bleever to be by default a saint

The LDS seems to enjoy using titles that Christians consider more important than they do. "Saint" is a good example. To Christians, being a "Saint" is a rarefied, special thing. To the LDS, it just means your a church member.

"Elder" is another term LDS waters down with overuse. In Christian denominations, and elder is generally some with some age, experience and authority,a title bestowed. In the LDS it appears to just mean anyone who has been confirmed, or the LDS equivalent of being confirmed.

 

[halleyscomet]

So there are Mormons who can sing well enough to go trough an audition process for a choir.
Good for them. And I'm sure they are talented.
But errr, what exactly does this have to do with LDS practices or beliefs at all?

It was a chance to show off she can use teh Google AND knows how to copy and paste text.

deaman, Is there any point in me doing so? There are so many such questions I have already answered in this thread, but have the answers been read and comprehended or just glanced at in order to dismiss, scorn and defile?

You haven't actually provided any answers, just copy and pasted links to LDS sites that don't actually address the questions being asked.

Is this kind of vague, ADD redirection how you raised your children?

Pixel42, I am not the one asking nor do I have any enquiries

I initiated this thread to correct misinformation and to ANSWER genuine questions regarding the ACTUAL beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church which were being asked off topic in another thread.

Any other matters should be the subject of other threads.

It's absolutely ADORABLE how you think your desire to avoid difficult questions matters in the least to anyone here.

The problem is, you haven't actually done that. Pup, RandFan, Cat Tale, and I have answered far more questions in this thread than you could ever hope to with your copypasta. I think people genuinely want to hear your opinions on matters, and would enjoy reading them, if you would only give them. Look how receptive people have been to another active LDS: Cat Tale. Why? Because she actually discusses matters, she doesn't just insist that people read your scriptures.

On the plus side, you've probably done a marvelous job of dissuading any lurkers who might have been contemplating becoming a Mormon, to give the whole thing a miss.

I still harbor the suspicion she's a deep cover JW trying to mock the LDS by making them look unthinking, gullible an inept.

 

[halleyscomet]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronisms_in_the_Book_of_Mormon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon

 

[RandFan]

The LDS seems to enjoy using titles that Christians consider more important than they do. "Saint" is a good example. To Christians, being a "Saint" is a rarefied, special thing. To the LDS, it just means your a church member.

"Elder" is another term LDS waters down with overuse. In Christian denominations, and elder is generally some with some age, experience and authority,a title bestowed. In the LDS it appears to just mean anyone who has been confirmed, or the LDS equivalent of being confirmed.

Priests are typically High School students. Deacons start at age 12 and then there are Teachers (a priesthood position) and then there are teachers, you know, the kind that teach. And once a month we meat meet at the steak Stake House. No dead cow is served but on a few occasions this has resulted in miscommunication with prospective members thinking we were inviting them to a steak dinner (we would like to invite you to the Stake House this Sunday).

It's a lot of fun, well, everything except sitting in church for 3 hours a week (not counting other official and unofficial meetings). That could get a bit tiresome at times.

 

[halleyscomet]

It's a lot of fun, well, everything except sitting in church for 3 hours a week (not counting other official and unofficial meetings). That could get a bit tiresome at times.

That problem is hardly unique to the LDS.

I can understand the re-purposing of terminology as a marketing technique. Letting people achieve a number of elevated titles early in life is a great way to help "connect" them to the community and the church. As a bonus, interactions with non-Momrons will probably make it look like others are being "held back" in some way, or are somehow deficient because they didn't get a title like "elder" until they were nearing retirement age.

 

[dudalb]

You should.

It appears that there's a lot you don't know.





When are you going to correct the misinformation that Joseph Smith's crude faked Book of Abraham is an actual translation of an ancient Egyptian text?

Before or after you correct the misinformation about the steel and horses and stuff?





Like the nonsense about native Americans being from the middle East? Should we start a thread about that? In Humor be OK with you?

Which would be the best thread to continue enquiries about your secret definition of negroes?

And the nonsense about Native Americans being from the Middle East is not even original. It was a common theory at the time Joseph Smith had his conversion...he just swiped it.

 

[John Jones]

Pixel42, I am not the one asking nor do I have any enquiries

I initiated this thread to correct misinformation and to ANSWER genuine questions regarding the ACTUAL beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church which were being asked off topic in another thread.

[...]

Cool. When will you start doing so?

BTW, If you send any more PMs to me, I will post them here for all to see. You have been alerted.

 

[jsfisher]

Cool. When will you start doing so?

BTW, If you send any more PMs to me, I will post them here for all to see. You have been alerted.

I responded to one of Janadele's PMs thusly:

If you have something to say to me in response to any of my posts, do so in the full light of the forums. If you feel my posts violate forum rules, report them. I have no interest in any private communications with you.

She has not sent me a private message since.

 

[Akhenaten]

And the nonsense about Native Americans being from the Middle East is not even original. It was a common theory at the time Joseph Smith had his conversion...he just swiped it.

Ooh, I hadn't realised that. Thanks for the information.

I'll just do a bit of investigoogling and read up on this a bit.

Looks like the learning here is going to continue, in spite of Janadele's efforts.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Ooh, I hadn't realised that. Thanks for the information.

I'll just do a bit of investigoogling and read up on this a bit.

Looks like the learning here is going to continue, in spite of Janadele's efforts.


[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/209954cd3e679ad157.gif[/qimg]

You will find some mention of a book and author on the subject with connections with our man Joe (the brains behind the remake of Christianity for American viewers).

 

[pakeha]

...There's really no fix for this. The LDS don't have a perception problem, they have a reality problem. No banal claims on your part can make barley have been cultivated in by Mezo-Americans prior to Columbus. You can't make the Book of Abraham say what it says. It's really time that you come to grips with the fact that your beliefs are incorrect. I'm not saying spiritually or philosophically but that your beliefs are demonstrably and factually wrong. There's nothing you can do to change this.

Not Janadele, nor any Mormon can change that the received scriptures of the BoA are blatant falsifications of actual texts.

And the nonsense about Native Americans being from the Middle East is not even original. It was a common theory at the time Joseph Smith had his conversion...he just swiped it.

Eeww.
Time to read up on that.

 

[Empress]

Eeww.
Time to read up on that.

This probably should have been addressed long ago in this thread, but I forgot it wasn't common knowledge outside the US. Much like pretty much everything in the LDS, you can trace the origins of the church beliefs to common ideas at the time. Seer stones, hot drinks, American Indians being the descendants of one of the Lost Tribes--all ideas regularly bandied about and having a degree of popularity. JS was no doubt charismatic, and even highly imaginative in a certain sense of the word, but his ideas were not original.