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Not to mention the simple fact that in most states that I am aware of, firing a warning shot is illegal, and could get you in a world of **** with the DA.
I guarantee Biden has far more than even an AR-15 protecting his home.
His suggestions are for you, not important people like him and your typical Chicago alderman or Illinois legislator.
Does it bother anyone else that the last time we could trust a VP with a shotgun was in the nineties and that person was Al Gore?
But let's not quibble. I agree with your statement.It isevidencesome anecdotes of the simple fact that firing a shotgun, and maintaining control over that weapon, is harder to do than a simple .223 rifle.
Cartridge(Wb @ MV) - Rifle Weight (lbs.) - Recoil Energy(foot pounds)
ARs
.223 Rem. (45 at 3500) - 8.5 - 2.6
.223 Rem. (55 at 3200) - 8.0 - 3.2
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025) - 7.0 - 3.9
AKs
7.62x39 Soviet (125 at 2350) - 7.0 - 6.9
Grandad's deer rifle
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) - 8.0 - 17.6
.30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) - 8.0 - 20.1
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) - 8.0 - 20.3
Shotguns!
Gauge, length (oz. shot@MV) - Gun weight (lbs.) - Recoil energy (ft. lbs.)
.410 bore, 2.5" (1/2 at 1200) - 5.5 - 7.1
.410 bore, 3" (11/16 at 1135) - 5.5 - 10.5
28 gauge, 2.75" (3/4 at 1200) - 6.0 - 12.8
20 gauge, 2.75" (7/8 at 1200) - 6.5 - 16.1
20 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1220) - 6.5 - 21.0
20 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1175) - 6.5 - 25.0
20 gauge, 3" (1 1/4 at 1185) - 6.5 - 31.0
16 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1220) - 7.0 - 21.5
16 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1240) - 7.0 - 27.6
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1180) - 7.5 - 17.3
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1200) - 7.5 - 23.0
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/4 at 1330) - 7.5 - 32.0
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/2 at 1260) - 7.5 - 45.0
12 gauge, 3" (1 5/8 at 1280) - 7.5 - 52.0
12 gauge, 3" (1 7/8 at 1210) - 8.75 - 54.0
10 gauge, 3.5" (2 1/4 at 1210) - 10.5 - 62.9
It's why many shotguns have factory-installed recoil pads, while they're rare on rifles.That video, while admittedly humorous, is sort of mean. I get the feeling that's the very first time some of those ladies fired a shotgun. And maybe the last.
But yeah, them are anecdotes, here's some numbers!
All info from chuckhawks.com http://www.chuckhawks.com/index2.guns.htm
It's why many shotguns have factory-installed recoil pads, while they're rare on rifles.
It makes me wonder if they ever thought of taking a break from sitting around conference tables and heading out to the range.
If that happens, we have a problem that the P/VP packing heat is not going to solve. I would guess that the SS would be ADAMANT that the P/VP not carry because the last thing they need is some wannabe blasting away....the highly unlikely event that the secret service gets taken out or otherwise can't protect their charge...
If that happens, we have a problem that the P/VP packing heat is not going to solve. I would guess that the SS would be ADAMANT that the P/VP not carry because the last thing they need is some wannabe blasting away.
Let's not get crazy, we're not exactly electing Teddy Roosevelts anymore but if they're going to sit around and talk about which guns are "good" and which are "bad" and should be banned then they should take the opportunity to learn about the firearms in the best way possible, going out and using them. Look at Dianne Feinstein sweeping the muzzle of an AK with mag in place, breech closed and finger inside the trigger guard across a crowd in a 1999 press conference. She's not someone who should be lecturing others about gun safety.
But if you're worried about intruders who themselves may be carrying a gun, a rifle gives you a significant firepower advantage.
Against an intruder in your house, you want something small and powerful. A 9mm or a .38. Out in the back 40 you would find a rifle to be the right weapon.
Indeed. Biden was ostensibly researching for months
Well I live in a neighborhood where the leading source of income is drug manufacturing. I seem to get along fine with no AR-15's.
Yeah, I am beginning to wonder if this a new qualification for the position.
Just like all blanket statements of its kind its wrong in many situations.
TLDR:
We could list thousands of situations were having a small powerful handgun would not be adequate.
Gunfight in a bathroom stall: 9mm
Gunfight on the high desert: .30-06
Hah! Shotguns are how my father taught his kids about gun safety. He had us all shoot a single barrel shotgun at the age of 6 or 7. The recoil was enough to leave us all with giant bruises. Right then and there, each of us knew that guns weren't toys. It was an extremely effective method.
That being said, we were quite lucky none of us broke anything.
Hah! Shotguns are how my father taught his kids about gun safety. He had us all shoot a single barrel shotgun at the age of 6 or 7. The recoil was enough to leave us all with giant bruises. Right then and there, each of us knew that guns weren't toys. It was an extremely effective method.
That being said, we were quite lucky none of us broke anything.