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Self-Defense Advice From VP Joe Biden

What I find interesting is that he was fielding a question from someone who apparently thinks you need an AR-15 for home defense. Are there any homes in this country currently besieged by zombies? Because that is about the only situation I can think of where something as overpowered as an AR-15 is necessary to protect your home.
 
What I find interesting is that he was fielding a question from someone who apparently thinks you need an AR-15 for home defense. Are there any homes in this country currently besieged by zombies? Because that is about the only situation I can think of where something as overpowered as an AR-15 is necessary to protect your home.


It may be overkill for some. Additionally, high-velocity rounds tend to punch through things like walls and doors and keep on going. A lot of people feel that a shotgun is a very nice home defense weapon: easy to use; plenty of stopping power; relatively little penetration.

But if you're worried about intruders who themselves may be carrying a gun, a rifle gives you a significant firepower advantage.

I would guess (totally guess) that many people who have an AR in the home are thinking of uses beyond home defense against an occasional creeper. Prepping or whatever.
 
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FF to around 25 seconds and let it fly

A very humorous way of showing how bad advice translates into idiotic actions. This is why I think those who want guns for self defence should have to undergo mandatory training and assessment.

It is mad that citizens can just go and buy a gun and on the advice of their VP fire randomly in the direction of a possible threat.

Any Americans who wonder why so many non Americans get involved in US gun control issues should understand it is because we watch with utter bemusement and astonished amazement at what some Americans get up to with guns. We are doing a reality check just to make sure what have seen or read is serious or not. :eye-poppi
 
Any Americans who wonder why so many non Americans get involved in US gun control issues should understand it is because we watch with utter bemusement and astonished amazement at what some Americans get up to with guns. We are doing a reality check just to make sure what have seen or read is serious or not. :eye-poppi
You should go stand under Jill Biden's balcony and tell her that.
 
I have to wonder what Mrs. Biden's Secret Service detail would think of her stepping out on the balcony and letting off a couple of rounds (or firing through a door).
 
What I find interesting is that he was fielding a question from someone who apparently thinks you need an AR-15 for home defense. Are there any homes in this country currently besieged by zombies? Because that is about the only situation I can think of where something as overpowered as an AR-15 is necessary to protect your home.
I guarantee Biden has far more than even an AR-15 protecting his home.

His suggestions are for you, not important people like him and your typical Chicago alderman or Illinois legislator.
 
You think she walks around with shotgun shells in her pocket?

I get the feeling that a lot of people here don't really understand the difference between a double barreled shot gun and a pump action shotgun and why, when Biden said to fire BOTH barrels, he is being derided.

Just for the record. A double barreled shotgun is the type that has two barrels that are either side by side or one above the other. It can only hold two rounds of ammunition and has no provisions for more without a special (and optional, and not all that common) bandolier that wraps around the stock (the wooden thingy that you put up against your shoulder). To reload it one must first open the weapon up, remove the spent shell casings, insert two more shells into the weapon and close it back up. This takes some time and in order to be proficient at it requires practice by the user.

A pump action shotgun (a far more common type of shotgun for the reasons that you will see below) has one barrel with a spring loaded tube below it that can hold up to 5 rounds in it (plus one in the chamber if the user so wishes). It also has a sliding handle (the "Pump") that can eject a shell (spent or otherwise) from the chamber when you slide it one way and then load a new shell from the tube when you slide it back into its original position. A person who has never fired such a weapon before can easily reload the weapon on their first try. In addition there is the option of (when the tube is empty) performing a quick (or as it's normally called a combat) load by slapping a round into the chamber through the same port where an expended shell is usually ejected. This however takes some practice by the user to become proficient at.

When you fire BOTH barrels of a double barreled shotgun you are essentially defenseless for some period of time as you need to reload (a process which can take as little as 5 seconds or much longer depending upon the skill level of the user and their proximity to the proper ammunition. For a pump action shotgun if you for some stupid reason fire two rounds as warning shots (unlikely as one would be more than enough) you should still have at least 3 more rounds in the weapon.

What Biden was suggesting was to render oneself defenseless while simultaneously potentially endangering innocent people and more than likely breaking a local law or ordinance while doing so. This is why he and his suggestion is being laughed at.

Thus ends my pointless (for most people) lesson of the day.
 
well, that and the sheer power of your average double barrel shotgun is often a bit too much for the avg 5'4" 150 lb woman to fire without falling on her behind
 
well, that and the sheer power of your average double barrel shotgun is often a bit too much for the avg 5'4" 150 lb woman to fire without falling on her behind

Maybe, maybe not. It depends upon the skill level of the shooter, the rounds in the weapon and if they fired both rounds at the same instant. That's why I didn't want to go there.
 
did you watch the funny video I put up?

It's much easier to fire an AR-15 than any shotgun. recoil is much less and it's pretty much a point and shoot weapon.


ETA: and I did say "often"
 
Yes I saw it and the shooters were obviously unprepared (hence my comment regarding skill level) for the recoil. In my navy days I was a Range Safety Officer and was responsible for training people in the safe use and handling of firearms (I probably trained at least 300 people in various weapons over the period that I was doing it). I had guys about the same size and weight shooting for the first time that were also caught off guard by the recoil of a shotgun (although they were at least prepared enough to not drop the damned thing).
 
You think she walks around with shotgun shells in her pocket?
Well, let's just go along with this silly scenario. You think she walks around with a shotgun slung over her shoulder? Of course not. So when she became alarmed and retrieved her shotgun and loaded it, at the same time she also dropped a few spare rounds in her oh so fashionable Gucci bag before going out on the balcony to bag an 8-pointer and a SS guy wanking hiding in the weeds. Sheeesh. An incumbent Chicago Alderman could figure this out.
 
well, that and the sheer power of your average double barrel shotgun is often a bit too much for the avg 5'4" 150 lb woman to fire without falling on her behind
Hypothetical: Noise Jill Biden hears is actually police in searching for miscreant. Woman emerges from house with shotgun, fires two rounds. What happens next?
Damn it to hell, now you've ruined it. Here I was looking forward to scaring off Bad Guys like some overhyped Rambo. Don't ruin gung-ho daydreams with Appeals to Reality/Consequences, please.
 
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Does it bother anyone else that the last time we could trust a VP with a shotgun was in the nineties and that person was Al Gore?
 
Does StankApe think that a video of idiots making fools of themselves provide evidence for anything?

It is evidence of the simple fact that firing a shotgun, and maintaining control over that weapon, is harder to do than a simple .223 rifle.

This video shows that very effectively.
 

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