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Empress said:
I don't recall much about Eternal Law, but that statement addresses what I've suspected it refers to. The "Gods all the way back" version of theology unique to Mormons.

The very best Mormons can become Gods and Goddesses in the afterlife. But although they are now Gods, our God, Yahweh, is still above them. Just as Yahweh's God is above him. So although Yahweh is a god, he's still bound by the rules that his god imposed, who is subject to the laws his god imposed, ad infinitum.

Here's a link to a BYU page about Law and Eternal Law. I couldn't be arsed to do more than skim it, having long since had my fill of their silliness, but it might clear up a few things that Janadele seems unwilling to address.
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Can you explain how that jells with the clear monotheistic message that Janadele quoted earlier: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5)?
 
Akhenaten said:
It doesn't just suggest it - it's flat-out saying exactly that.
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Or it suggests that God invented some rules to bind himself just to make life a bit more interesting....a get home without stepping on any cracks in the pavement kind of thing.

Of course, if that were the case he could decide to change them at any time. Or just break them.
 
Last of the Fraggles said:
Or it suggests that God invented some rules to bind himself just to make life a bit more interesting....a get home without stepping on any cracks in the pavement kind of thing.
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So basically we're back to the "Can god microwave a burrito so hot that even he can't eat it?" paradox.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Can you explain how that jells with the clear monotheistic message that Janadele quoted earlier: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5)?
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For Mormons, the references to one God, and his son Jesus, all refer to our planet and our god, Yahweh. They get around the whole "one god only" thingy by saying that Yahweh created our universe, and so for our universe there is only one god, and Jesus is his son and our Savior. It's only when you go back beyond our universe that you get into the multi-god scenario. It's sort of their "get out of jail free" card. That way they can use the Bible to support their theology, but also get to claim that they get to be gods themselves in the hereafter.

It's hard to understand unless you are well-versed in Doublethink, but Mormons are monotheists. Only they believe in an infinite number of gods. Yeah.
 
Empress said:
I don't recall much about Eternal Law, but that statement addresses what I've suspected it refers to. The "Gods all the way back" version of theology unique to Mormons.

The very best Mormons can become Gods and Goddesses in the afterlife. But although they are now Gods, our God, Yahweh, is still above them. Just as Yahweh's God is above him. So although Yahweh is a god, he's still bound by the rules that his god imposed, who is subject to the laws his god imposed, ad infinitum.

Here's a link to a BYU page about Law and Eternal Law. I couldn't be arsed to do more than skim it, having long since had my fill of their silliness, but it might clear up a few things that Janadele seems unwilling to address.
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So it's basically a cosmic MLM, with faith instead of overpriced juice or soap. Yahweh wants you to become a god and join his downline. It's not actually about the product, but about recruiting more gods beneath you so you can get a portion of their holy commission. Hook as many suckers into the pyramid as you can, and you, too, can be a successful diety! It all makes sense now.

Much more entertaining than boring ol' monotheism.
 
Last of the Fraggles said:
Or it suggests that God invented some rules to bind himself just to make life a bit more interesting....a get home without stepping on any cracks in the pavement kind of thing.

Of course, if that were the case he could decide to change them at any time. Or just break them.
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Or make pavements without any cracks in them in the first place.

:)
 
Stomatopoda said:
So it's basically a cosmic MLM, with faith instead of overpriced juice or soap. Yahweh wants you to become a god and join his downline. It's not actually about the product, but about recruiting more gods beneath you so you can get a portion of their holy commission. Hook as many suckers into the pyramid as you can, and you, too, can be a successful diety! It all makes sense now.

Much more entertaining than boring ol' monotheism.
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Janadele -

Is polygamy an eternal law?

Then why did your church change it?

You still have not answered if you believe people of color are lesser people spiritually? (That's called racism.) I am going to guess you don't answer because the answer is in the affirmative, and you feel embarrassed about that.

Also I asked, would you kill me and my family, if you had a "burning in the bosom", or some other thought that god wanted us dead?

Again, you non-reply makes me think, you would undoubtedly kill people for your god. Do you feel embarrassed about that? Why?

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe, that embarrassment you feel, is your actual conscience?

Please respond to my questions.
 
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Akhenaten said:
You appear to be acknowledging that your god thingy is bound by laws that predate it and yet at the same time proclaiming that it's the be-all and end-all of things Godemonical.

I have to wonder why my god (who made those laws) allows your upstart to get away with such heresy.

During my next supplication I'm going to request a smiting. Prepare ye thyself.
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A smiting from the Aten? A bad sunburn?

But I'm with you if some god is making Eternal Laws for the Mormon god why not go right to the top.
 
Akhenaten said:
Dime bag drug dealers have this power. I'm fairly sure an archangel could manage it, were there such a thing.
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I've had acid that set your whole body on fire, after 5 hours of cookin' on high heat followed by 10 hours on medium a little burning in the bosom is like a cold shower.
 
Janadele said:
Pup, Lucifer is not empowered to impart that which I experienced... an all encompassing warmth or burning within, plus an overwhelming opening up of understanding and knowledge and a certainty of truth which could not be denied. That power is denied him.
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Foster Zygote said:
Then who is giving that same feeling to people to convince them of the truth of other religions?
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I'd like to know the answer to that, too.
 
Empress said:
For Mormons, the references to one God, and his son Jesus, all refer to our planet and our god, Yahweh. They get around the whole "one god only" thingy by saying that Yahweh created our universe, and so for our universe there is only one god, and Jesus is his son and our Savior. It's only when you go back beyond our universe that you get into the multi-god scenario. It's sort of their "get out of jail free" card. That way they can use the Bible to support their theology, but also get to claim that they get to be gods themselves in the hereafter.

It's hard to understand unless you are well-versed in Doublethink, but Mormons are monotheists. Only they believe in an infinite number of gods. Yeah.
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It seems like a rather feudal view of the afterlife, we all (males that is) get to be our own little lords on our own demesne with our wives serving us.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Can you explain how that jells with the clear monotheistic message that Janadele quoted earlier: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5)?
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:) And then could you explain the trinity? Most if not all Christian faiths and those that are based in part on Christianity are polytheistic they just don't want to admit it.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Little gods have great gods over their heads to smite 'em,
And great gods have greater gods, and so ad infinitum.
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That does seem to be Mormon theology. Still you got to wonder, Who was that first god?
 
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